Fiat Projects and Little Known Aircraft

hesham said:
this CR of Fiat had no sense at all,CR 1,2,5,10,20,22,23,25,30,31,32,33,35,40,41,42,44,50 & 50.
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I suspect that at least some of the 'missing' single-digit numbers were for re-engined C.R.1 airframes - some just planned, other begun or completed but with records now lost to time.

The 'missing' double-digit numbers are the result of the initial C.R.x0 types' development having run their course. The exception to this rule was the out-of-sequence-and-chronology C.R.25 ... whose designation, admittedly made no sense at all!

Other times in Rosatelli designations, you can sense the heavy hand of Fiat's marketing department. Eg: the R.22 (a B.R.2 derivative but named for its A.22 engine) and the R.700 (a B.R. racer named for its engine output). Not much logic applied there either.
 
iverson said:
Image 334 in post 67 is my drawing of the Fiat engine, minus my copyright statement. Please remove it and replace it with the original image. Thanks, Justo.
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The author of that image and its origin were unknown to me, I do not have the original to replace it, but I will remove the drawing, I regret the omission of copyright.
 
blockhaj said:
Posting here is fair use.
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It is not fair use if the copyright notice has been removed!

I make all of my images free for non-commercial use, in any case (and not just on this forum). But I do require correct attribution.

Nonetheless, quite a few of my images are floating around with the copyright statements trimmed off or with spurious ones substituted. Justo simply happened to find one of these online and graciously corrected the posting.
 
hesham said:
Hi,

here is a great report,the Fiat CR.44 was a contra-rotating fighter/
bomber Project with A.44 engine,derivative BR.44 twin engined
medium bomber Project,the FR.23 night fighter twin engined Project
also fitted with A.44 motor,and available in four variants,Model A,
B,C & D.

The R.23 was a twin engined fighter & dive and torpedo bomber
Project,also a reference to Fiat BR.22,BR.26 and BR.30 bomber
Projects,and a mock-up to BR.25 bomber Project.

http://www.avia-it.com/act/la_tecni...i_di_aerei_e motori_Fiat_dal_1935_al_1945.pdf
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The file itself.
 

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To repeat what I posted on the Fiat G.51 thread:
[quote}After reviewing the data in Lugiano Califaro's book on the G.50V, I'm going to argue that existing drawings, based on the touch up Fiat supplied the Regia Aronautica are in error. The one clear photo of the real G.50V looks to have an engine installation and vowling lines similar to the G.55 back to the firewall, with standard G.50 contours aft of there, but the propeller spinner looks rather more pointed, much like that of the Macchi C.202. The interesting thing is the canopy. Given that the aircraft was modified from the 11th production G.50 Serie I, I suspect it had the clear enclosed canopy with rollover bar of that Serie. This would make for a rather different looking aircraft.[/quote]
 
hesham said:
Czech museum is the source for this,can anyone ID it ?.
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Your clipping also mentions the Fiat AL. Assuming that this 'A1' is the same (or a typo for AL), then it was a 1922 6-passenger transport biplane powered by a 300 hp Fiat 12bis inline 6-cylinder engine.

But I'm not sure what your "Czech museum" is attempting to accomplish by clumping random designations in this manner. It seems to make little sense.

Eg: the AS.1 was a light aircraft which appeared at least 8 years after the AL; the A.120 was a rebranded Ansaldo A.120 recce parasol; the AS.2 (if that is what was meant by 'ASII') was a 1925 V-12; etc. What could be the purpose of such a grouping?
 
Apophenia said:
But I'm not sure what your "Czech museum" is attempting to accomplish by clumping random designations in this manner. It seems to make little sense.

Eg: the AS.1 was a light aircraft which appeared at least 8 years after the AL; the A.120 was a rebranded Ansaldo A.120 recce parasol; the AS.2 (if that is what was meant by 'ASII') was a 1925 V-12; etc. What could be the purpose of such a grouping?
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I could be wrong, but it seems like an archival index. It either indicates that they possess files on those types, or are referring to a specific source that contains mentions of those.
 
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lucamax said:
Good morning!
Here I share a drawing of the Fiat G.55F (A.38 engine).
The picture il taken from Aerei nella Storia magazine, n. 124 (feb-mar 2019).
Cheers.
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What does F stand for?
 
Dear Friends,
I recently discovered a couple of drawings of the unknow Fiat G.4 fighter-bomber project!
According to the drawings, Gabrielli made two different configuration: the first with middle wing and the second with low wing.
Unfortunatly the papers are old and big (and F******ing blue), so it is difficult to scan them: I made my best.
If anyone is so kind to extract from the drawings a cleaner version (maybe with cad or photoshopt) I think that we will be very happy :)
 

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Does anyone have any info and/or drawings of the mysterious G.55 Serie 2?

I have so far found four separate explanations for what this could be (Perhaps a combination of some?):
1. G.55 with 5x20mm cannons
2. G.55 upgraded to the same standard as the Re.2005 VDM with more German components
3. Version planned for a DB-603
4. Original designation for the G.56

I should add that I have even seen some sources claim that this variant entered service. Does anyone know what the truth is?
 
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Hi,

Designed by engineer Celestino Rosatelli, it represented a development of the Fiat C.R.30—his previous design—an elegant and fast aircraft that achieved great success.

CR.33 - 520 kW (700 hp) Fiat AC.33RC engine. Maximum speed 412 km/h (256 mph; 222 kn) at 3,500 m (11,500 ft).[38] Only three prototypes were built.
CR.40 - One prototype powered by a Bristol Mercury IV radial engine.
CR.40bis - One prototype only.
CR.41 - One prototype only

https://svppbellum.blogspot.com/sea...0+01:00&max-results=20&start=39&by-date=false
 
hesham said:
Hi,

Designed by engineer Celestino Rosatelli, it represented a development of the Fiat C.R.30—his previous design—an elegant and fast aircraft that achieved great success.

CR.33 - 520 kW (700 hp) Fiat AC.33RC engine. Maximum speed 412 km/h (256 mph; 222 kn) at 3,500 m (11,500 ft).[38] Only three prototypes were built.
CR.40 - One prototype powered by a Bristol Mercury IV radial engine.
CR.40bis - One prototype only.
CR.41 - One prototype only
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