Eurotrainer: Alphajet Proposals

[overscan (PaulMM)]

Dornier / Breguet wind tunnel model of the podded engine configuration and cockpit mockup.

http://archive.aviationweek.com/image/spread/19690602/31/1

 

[hesham]

Dornier / Breguet wind tunnel model of the podded engine configuration and cockpit mockup.

http://archive.aviationweek.com/image/spread/19690602/31/1

My dear Paul,

here is a drawings and a Model for Dornier/Breguet jet trainer.

http://archive.aviationweek.com/image/spread/19671113/31/2http://archive.aviationweek.com/image/spread/19671113/33/2

 

[RAP]

Alpha Jet mockup Paris Air Show 1969

 

[hesham]

From L + K 10/1979.

 

[hesham]

From L+K 1968/2,

you feel this model had a mid-wing (not low-wing) ?.

 

[richard B]

It is just like in Post #42 : low-mid-low wing ...

 

[fightingirish]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1267022207995215872

View: https://twitter.com/BurkhardDomke/status/1267022207995215872

 

[fightingirish]

Fokker VF291

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/original-press-photograph-FOKKER-VF-T-291-jet-trainer-/361447622648

VFW-Fokker VF T291
Source: https://oldthing.de/Fotografie-Flugzeug-VFW-Fokker-VF-T291-der-Luftwaffe-0033107826
The auction has ended.

 

[Mark Nankivil]

Came across this photo of a model of the VF291 in the March 23, 1970 issue of AvWeek.

Enjoy the Day! Mark

 

[hesham]

a supercritical wing with Alphajet.

http://www.flightglobal.com/PDFArchive/View/1978/1978 - 0720.html

From Aviation magazine 1981.

 

[Blueking]

Why they choose T-tail for trainer? It is dangerous while deep stall.

 

[hesham]

Why they choose T-tail for trainer? It is dangerous while deep stall.

What ?,It's not a problem.

 

[Blueking]

Because

Why they choose T-tail for trainer? It is dangerous while deep stall.

What ?,It's nor a problem.

I have read this:
The flow condition of deep stall is a common problem of T-tail aircraft at high angles of attack. When the aircraft reaches a certain angle of attack (deep stall angle of attack) after the wing stall, the efficiency of the elevator will be reduced due to the wake of the wing, which makes it very difficult to change the deep stall state.

So I think that the T-tail is not good idea for a trainer.

 

[hesham]

From Interavia 1970.

 

[fightingirish]

More on the Dornier P.375 from Dornier Post 1/2 1969 in-house magazine attached as a PDF.

Here a German article about the Dornier P.375.
The other pictures featured in this article were already posted in this topic before, or are originally from in-house magazine Dornier Post.
Source (German, and behind a Paywall)
https://www.flugrevue.de/klassiker/...ck-dornier-plante-jet-p-375-als-multi-talent/Edit (2025-05-27):
I added all nine pictures from this article to this post today, even if some of these pictures have been posted in this topic before.

 

[Hood]

Interestingly, Hawker Siddeley Kingston came up with an almost identical design study for the P.1182.

 

[Jemiba]

…and Potez for their Potez 92:

https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/potez-p-92-strike-and-close-support-jet-aircraft.15993/

 

[Archibald]

Must have been a case of cross-pollination across the Channel.

 

[Hood]

The Potez P.92 design pre-dates the others, dating from 1964. The HS.1182 study and P.375 were both 1969 designs.

 

[hesham]

From Aviation magazine 1970.

 

[hesham]

From Aviation magazine 15-5-1989, strange.

 

[riggerrob]

Wow!
A design-by-committee that actually looks graceful!

 

[Hood]

A naval Alphajet for the Marine Nationale, interesting. A result of the work on VTXTS I assume?

 

[hesham]

From Aviation magazine 15-11-1990

 

[RAP]

Some Eurotrainer information.

 

[fightingirish]

Source:
Alexis Rocher - Les projets d’avions de combat des sociétés nationales, de 1960 à 1973 - Le destin de Sisyphe,
published in the French aviation magazine Le Fana de L'Aviation, November 2010, issue 492, pages 40-49.

 

[hesham]

From Dassault-Breguet-Dornier Alpha Jet A Part 1 Development

 

[hesham]

From this.

 

[hesham]

From this.

 

[hesham]

From the same source ( Dornier Post ) , a single seat Dornier P-375 :

Also from it, who can collect the two pieces into one.

 

[hesham]

From Dornier Post 1969-1/2

 

[hesham]

From Dornier Post 1980-2

 

[iverson]

Also from it, who can collect the two pieces into one.

I also sharpened it a little to make the outlines more distinct. What aircraft is this?

 

[hesham]

I also sharpened it a little to make the outlines more distinct. What aircraft is this?

It's Dornier P-375.

 

[hesham]

From Dornier Post 1984/3

 

[hesham]

From Technika Lotnicza 1970