Little-Known French Projects and Prototypes

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bonjour Avions anciens
From an old "Les ailes" 1946
 

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Thank you, hesham and toura. The clips from Les Ailes are most interesting. From the fact that they came from a 1946 issue and the way the text is phrased, it seems that the V.10 must have survived the war. I wonder what became of it subsequently?
 

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Ah, I've now found the article, which appeared in l'Avion (date unknown), from which the earlier photographs of the Peitz Avionette came.
 

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Great work my dears Avion and Toura.
 

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avion ancien said:
......and finally - for the present - the Botali-Mandelli biplane. I have a little information about this diminutive single seater, including the name of the gentlemen standing proudly before it. I think that he is either the eponymous M. Botali or M. Mandelli, its designer and pilot.
There was a Botali 350hp long-distance aircraft with diesel engine, answering the same program as the Bernard 86 and Wibault 368. The aircraft was never completed. (Source: Records français de distance by Jean Liron.)
I have never seen a picture or drawing of this aircraft, additional info is welcome.
 

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Hi,


here is the Guillemin JG.40,JG.41 and JG.42 drawings.
 

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From Avions No. 127, a little-known prototype identified as the "Fellot Lacour" [F-PJCV], christened "L'ancêtre" (the ancestor), though the spelling is apparently unsure.
 

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Apparently the Lemaire 01 (F-PPPN) is held in the reserve collection of Espace Air Passion at Angers-Marcé (see http://www.musee-aviation-angers.fr/collections/avions-et-voilures-tournantes/). I'll try to remember to enquire about it when next I'm there. In the meantime, here are some clearer pictures of it.



 

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Splendid pics! Thanks a bunch for sharing!
 

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toura said:
always old paper..."aviation magazine"
It's been a while since this post, I admit, but it's neat that this old design is exactly within the current French microlight limit of 300kg gross weight.
 

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avion ancien said:
Apparently the Lemaire 01 (F-PPPN) is held in the reserve collection of Espace Air Passion at Angers-Marcé (see http://www.musee-aviation-angers.fr/collections/avions-et-voilures-tournantes/). I'll try to remember to enquire about it when next I'm there. In the meantime, here are some clearer pictures of it.
Absolutely fantastic pics and that link is worth following. I have never seen a museum with such an interesting collection of unusual and homebuilt light planes. You could make a book of oddball configurations and prototypes just from that one collection. I've have to make a point to get over there next summer.
 

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Tophe said:
Still in this Trait d'Union #217 is the wonderful tandem-wing Lachassagne family and also:
"Jacques Lagarde designed in 1936 with Richard a project of transoceanic airplane with 'controlled lift'. The wing featured (uneasy to translate!) 'des volets de courbure commandés par des girouettes Constantin' controlling Cz in flight. Span 62m Length 40m Total weight 105t with 15t load Power 15,600hp total Max speed 440km/h Range 8000km. The same Lagarde designed the Millet-Lagarde ML.10 twin-boomer after 1945."

And here is from Aerophile magazine.
 

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For readers that don't speak French, the subtitle says it all.

Courte histoire d'un "veau-marin"

"Veau" literally means calf (from which we get the English word veal) but when applied to a vehicle it means something gutless and without power, so "veau-marin" means "sea calf" and may be a pun on "sous-marin" or submarine. It is also reminiscent of "vache de mer" or "sea cow" (manatee) also probably not the name you'd choose for a new flying boat.
 

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cluttonfred said:
"Veau" literally means calf (from which we get the English word veal) but when applied to a vehicle it means something gutless and without power, so "veau-marin" means "sea calf" and may be a pun on "sous-marin" or submarine. It is also reminiscent of "vache de mer" or "sea cow" (manatee) also probably not the name you'd choose for a new flying boat.

Absolutely, Matthew! And allow me to translate the header, which gives a little more background to this being a "sea calf"...


"In Europe during the 1920s, and especially in France, the commercial future of aviation seemed to be with flying boats. Ideas sprouted everywhere, and financiers followed it all very closely. The pathetic Saint-Raphaël competition of 1925 had hardly tempered even the wildest enthusiasm. Despite some big problems with motorisation, one kept building ever bigger and heavier machines, most often to the detriment of the most elementary aerodynamic features. The short history of the extremely rare RP.2 is a good example of this."
 

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Hi Hesham
I don't know the ROUSSEL 10. THANKS
and always from some old "aviation magazine"
the Roussel 20 and 40
 

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One could imagine that if times were kinder, the Roussel 40 might have been developed into a fine little turbo jet powered executive aeroplane. Shades of the SIPA Minijet, perhaps?
 

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Hi Hasan
We continue with little know plane....
from "aviation magazine"
 

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Excellent my dear Toura.
 

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hesham said:
Hi,


from Les Ailes journal,the designer Pierre Bazoin created two aircraft projects,the
first was tourist aircraft with inverse "M" shape,and the second was a six-engined
huge transatlantic flying boat in a weird configuration.


http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k6560495x/f7.image


With regards as to the transatlantic flying boat, was it intended as a WIG (Wing In Ground effect) design, do you think?
 
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