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Little-Known French Projects and Prototypes

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Thank you my dear Toura,


and for Grey,I can't judge well,because the picture is not appear clearly the design,
but may be you are right .
 

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hesham said:
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from Les Ailes journal,the designer Pierre Bazoin created two aircraft projects,the
first was tourist aircraft with inverse "M" shape,and the second was a six-engined
huge transatlantic flying boat in a weird configuration.


http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k6560495x/f7.image

From my dear Tophe,


here is a patent for Bazoin aircraft,and its variants.
 

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Toura, do you have a year for the hydravion à coque monoplan Vinay, please?


One wonders how this thing could alight on water without nosediving
 

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Hi Dan_inbox
Sorry ! I've nothing more !!!
 

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Anyone know how many Salmson Moineau S.M.1 were completed? Sources vary between a couple of prototypes and all 155 ordered. Some sources even have them in operational use as night bombers in 1918!
 

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hesham said:
Hi,

here is two aircraft in very weird configurations.

http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k65552283/f5.image
Actually, the text makes it clear that the illustration is the same aircraft in plan view and profile, a concept for a light aircraft inspired by the classic paper dart. There are additional horizontal control surfaces forward for "added stability" though I am not sure why that was though necessary. Here is the whole clipping for anyone who can read (or muddle through) French as the source is in the public domain.
 

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hesham said:
here is the Gaucher Week-End,a two seat high wing light aircraft;

The Gaucher Week-End later became the Payen Pa.47 Week-End / Aeria...
 

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I moved the Barbaro types to the appropriate topic.

Please always make sure that a dedicated topic doesn't exist before posting to these generic threads, which only exist as a temporary place for lack of more information. When a manufacturer or a type is sufficiently documented it gets its own page, and we already have a Barbaro page in the "Aerospace" section:


http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,12377.0/all.html
 

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c460 said:
Drawing of the Richard-Penhoët 2, from the Spanish magazine Aérea, April 1924.

Great find my dear C460,and that drawing differed from the aircraft actually built.
 

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hesham said:
... I don't know the right,Rexovice or Rexonice ?.
Yes, it was Botali and Rexovice. Seen as Rexovice-Botali here: http://www.aeroteca.com/motoraz/indexaz.pdf

Does anyone know who these guys were? I'm assuming the latter was pilot André Rexovice (seen as 'A. Rescovice' here: http://aviateur-pharabod.monsite-orange.fr/page5/index.html ) But who was Botali?
 

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Thank you my dear Apophenia,


and no more info about Botali on Internet.
 

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Avimimus said:
Anyone know how many Salmson Moineau S.M.1 were completed? Sources vary between a couple of prototypes and all 155 ordered. Some sources even have them in operational use as night bombers in 1918!
A bit late answering this. According to 'French Aircraft of World War One' by Davilla & Soltan, at least 155 aircraft were built.
At least one machine, belonging to AR 289, was still in use in 1918. This S.M.1 flew reconnaissance in support of the 66e Division des Chasseurs a Pied until late 1918.
 

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hesham said:
and no more info about Botali on Internet.
One possible connection is the Botali-du Riveau PAMA type 1 motoplaneur
http://www.aviafrance.com/botali-du-riveau-p-a-m-a-type-1-aviation-france-10222.htm

And there was a M. Botalli (two Ls) who seems to have been an aeronautical engineer.

http://archive.org/stream/la02b9eronautiqu04pari/la02b9eronautiqu04pari_djvu.txt
L'Aeronautique 132 and 166 - Here Botalli is associated with the engineering of a monoplane tourer designed by Baron Edmond de Marçay (with a long-term association between Botalli and de Marçay implied). There is also mention of a Botalli radiator design for the Hanriot H-26.
 

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Thank you my dear Apophenia.
 

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It's hard at times to tell which designs were actual projects and which were merely hypothetical...

Here is an illustration for Jacques Lacasse's 1948 Technique de l'air. It shows a very interesting blended-wing project (I'm posting it here as I believe it is earlier than the publication of the book, but I could be wrong — I do not own the book myself).
 

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One of the delights of the pre-war issues of les Ailes is that the editor would feature what we now regard as flights of fancy, however improbable and fantastic they might have seemed at the time. But it must be conceded that this remark is an ex post facto judgment - and with the benefit of hindsight, it's very easy to make such a remark. What must be remembered is that in the twenties and thirties - particularly in France - aviation technology was advancing by leaps and bounds, almost on a daily basis, and it is was a time when almost anything seemed possible. Thus what might seem fantastical one day could be the norm the next. I'm sure that there once was a time, in the not too far distant past, when the concept of jet engines, supersonic speed, aeroplanes capable of carrying 850 passengers, space travel and the like would have been considered fantastical - and when any publication carrying articles by those propounding these ideas might have been decried. Today's projects sometimes become tomorrow's reality!
 

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Hi,


here is the Maurice Brion fighter,it was a single seat fighter biplane,and put the
upper wing behind the cockpit to make a good vision for the pilot,the aircraft
mention in Les Ailes journal and in Trait d'Union magazine also,may be intended
for 1930 C.1 contest,we know about 31 to 32 entries competed in this competition,
many of them remained a drawing board only.


http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k65537145/f6.image
 

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Thanks, hesham. One comment...it would be useful to include the year of publication for some of these to give an idea of the context. Cheers, Matthew
 

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A french designer, but built in Marokko...
 

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Maveric said:
A french designer, but built in Marokko...
Good clue ! That could mean, that it principally was a Spanish design, as Morocco was
divided into a Spanish and a French protectorate then. It seems more probable to me,
that Emile Hennion was working in the French part, nevertheless it's not certain, of course.
 

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cluttonfred said:
Thanks, hesham. One comment...it would be useful to include the year of publication for some of these to give an idea of the context. Cheers, Matthew

Thank you my dear Cluttonfred,


and here is a strange glider design from Mr. Chapeaux,I know he created a glider
and many aircraft,and this glider was built with Mr. Briens.


http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k65682645/f2.image
 

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Jemiba said:
Maveric said:
A french designer, but built in Marokko...
Good clue ! That could mean, that it principally was a Spanish design, as Morocco was
divided into a Spanish and a French protectorate then. It seems more probable to me,
that Emile Hennion was working in the French part, nevertheless it's not certain, of course.
Émile Hennion was working in Casablanca, in the French protectorate.
 

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Thank you very much,

then I think, we can accept it as a French design ! ;)
 

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Hi,


it was Hennion Type 11,mention in Trait d'Union magazine as a French aircraft.
 
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