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Heinkel He 177/277/274 Variants and Projects

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The photo "He 274 pic1.jpg" is labelled on my disk as Ateliers Aéronautiques de Suresnes AAS-01A at CEV in 1946.
 

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dan_inbox said:
The photo "He 274 pic1.jpg" is labelled on my disk as Ateliers Aéronautiques de Suresnes AAS-01A at CEV in 1946.
Oh thanks a lot. :D
 

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Hi! He-177.
http://aviadejavu.ru/Site/Crafts/Craft20200.htm

http://aviadejavu.ru/Site/Arts/Art2322.htm

Large skeleton in English. ;D
http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/bww2/he177a5/he177a5-2.gif

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXG1da2drh0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Unr5a2ImnTc
 

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Here is some good footage of the Heinkel He 274 (AAS 01) serving as the mothership for the SNCASO SO.M1 (F-WFDJ) in this British Pathé newsreel footage, circa 1950. Some John Paul Stapp rocket-sled footage (using the modified V-1 track at Muroc (Edwards) AFB) subsequently follows in this "Air News" feature.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpHe9XwnZuw
 

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From Ebay, some french drawings made not long after the war

Source; http://www.ebay.at/itm/Heinkel-274-Alte-Riss-Zeichnung-Bauplan-evtl-WW2-Flugzeug-oder-Jagdflugzeug-/253002955271
 

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Do you know the he 177 A2 variant wich was a recce aircraft(abandoned) and the A4 wich was a A3 with pressurized cockpit?
 

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I've found this one on facebook "luft46": https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10155831042727260&set=p.10155831042727260&type=3&theater&ifg=1 https://www.facebook.com/groups/luft46/
 

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Great find my dear Sgeorges,

but was it a real ?.
 

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hesham said:
but was it a real ?.
it's looking minimum Fighter Me 328

There were proposal to equip Bomber with parasite fighter Me 328
except that is Mistelgespann means: Me 328 fly the He 177 full of explosive
 

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Michel Van said:
hesham said:
but was it a real ?.
it's looking minimum Fighter Me 328

There were proposal to equip Bomber with parasite fighter Me 328
except that is Mistelgespann means: Me 328 fly the He 177 full of explosive
Or the first reason,to protect the mathership.
 

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hesham said:
Michel Van said:
hesham said:
but was it a real ?.
it's looking minimum Fighter Me 328

There were proposal to equip Bomber with parasite fighter Me 328
except that is Mistelgespann means: Me 328 fly the He 177 full of explosive
Or the first reason,to protect the mathership.
Both is correct. This particular drawing in #48 is from Fritz Hahn "Flugzeugbewaffnungen" (p.407). He mentions both: a parasite fighter for defence of the He-177 on it´s one way trip to the USA and as a explosive carrier.
 

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If we take this drawing literally, it wouldn't make much sense as a Mistel explosive carrier, I think.
Still to be fitted with gun turrets would be unlikely then, and AFAIK, German Mistels for air-to-ground
missions were generally fitted with shaped charge warheads.
 

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Jemiba said:
If we take this drawing literally, it wouldn't make much sense as a Mistel explosive carrier, I think.
Still to be fitted with gun turrets would be unlikely then, and AFAIK, German Mistels for air-to-ground
missions were generally fitted with shaped charge warheads.
OK my dear Jemiba.
 

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Probably just a proposed use of piggybacking on the 177 for testing. Maybe there were concerns about the 217 not having enough power for the extra drag of the 328 with engines?
 

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As the Me 328 was proposed as parasite fighter, the only suitable way to carry it probably would have
been piggy-back. The same for using it as independent attack aircraft, I think, the carrying bomber would
have kept his full armament in the case of a parasite fighter, his bomb load, too.
But as a Mistel, with the He 177 used as a missile, just stuffing the fuselage full of explosives probably
wouldn't get the best efficiency.
 

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any drawing regarding the heinkel 177 A4 pressurised variant cockpit?
 

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Your SECOND one IS the He 277...Amerikabomber!

Dear blackkite:

Bader's Briar here - and if you check out the English language Wikipedia entry on the He 277 Amerikabomber , I've had a LOT of input into that article. over a good number of years!

That SECOND image in your post...

He 277 w-nosewheel gear 'Typenblatt' drawing.jpg

...is from page 159 in the book , and was MIS-labeled as an "He 177B", which is an entirely DIFFERENT project - the He 277 was known to have been given its RLM airframe type number of "8-277" no later than the February 1943 timeframe!

The He 277 Typenblatt 3-view shown above jibes with the Griehl/Dressel book's...
My Griffin Book.jpg
...assertion of it being meant to ONLY be powered with a quartet of BMW 801 radial engines, shown on the above drawing of the nosewheel version, and when that drawing is viewed alongside the one (shown below) for the He 277 bomb loadout chart on page 184 of the above book...

He 277 Bombload Configs.jpg

...with the ""wider" (at 1.75 meters beam/Rumpfbreite) seven-meter long bomb bay shown on the Typenblatt 3-view, NAILS the "Typenblatt" drawing I've shown as being for the He 277 Amerikabomber design, most likely to have been a nosewheel aircraft as shown, with the measured seven-meter long bomb bay.

The He 277 suffered the same fate as the four-jet powered He 343, in NEVER having a completed prototype built for it at any time, with only "parts built" for it before May 1945 arrived - the 277, in fact, was officially cancelled on Hitler's 55th birthday; April 20, 1944.

Four He 177B prototypes (V101-V104) WERE ordered by the RLM according to the book's text, with only three delivered...the He 177 V101, the first B-series prototype...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinkel_He_277
He 177B V101 Photo.jpg


He 177B V101 Factory 3-vu.jpg

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ended up being wrecked by Luftwaffe ground personnel (most likely) right near the Reparatur-Werk Eger facility (Cheb, Czech Republic) by the end of the war, essentially at today's Cheb Airport...

POSSIBLE Wreck of V101.jpg

POSSIBLE Wreck of V101-2.jpg

...nothing is "definitively" known of the twin-tailed V102's fate (it first flew in December 1943), while the V103 and unfinished V104 prototype airframes were wrecked by 15th Air Force B-24 raids on Floridsdorf. Austria on July 8, 1944 at the Heinkel-Süd facilities there.

So, with the four-ordered He 177B prototypes, the pair of He 274s finished in France after the war for motherplane duties with French air-launched X-planes through about 1948...

He 274 Mothership for French X-Planes-1.jpg

...and the NEVER-completed He 277 design, there were a "trio of parallel designs" underway from 1942-1944, intending to go forwards for a truly "four-engined" follow-on to the He 177A.

That Griehl/Dressel book IS a hard-to-find one, at times...but if one becomes available online, like at Amazon, and you've got a serious interest in the entire "family" of He 177-family designs, jump at it, if it's not TOO "outrageously" priced.

Thanks and Yours Sincerely,
Bader's Briar
 

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Given that we know that the true He 277 was a different aircraft than the He 177B, does anyone know when aviation historians first invented the He 277B-5 and He 277B-6 designations for the He 177B and He 277 respectively?
 

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The Wikipedia entry on the He 277 has a number of inaccuracies. For example, while the He 277 was initially intended to have BMW 801s, by December 1943 the 801 was no longer part of the design, as shown in this RLM data sheet from December 1943.

8-277.jpg

8-277 engines.jpg


Other inaccuracies include the idea that the Ta 400/Fw 300 A was in any way related to the Fw 300 (Fw 200 successor) - it wasn't - and the idea that the 'last competitor for the He 277 was the Ju 488' - it wasn't. That would be the Ta 400.
The 'Fw 300 A' designation was purely a codename used whenever Focke-Wulf's French subcontractor SNCASO were involved. They had previously worked on the Fw 300 transport and it suited Focke-Wulf to have them think that the 'Fw 300 A' was in some way related to it. French drawings of the 'Fw 300 A' show the Ta 400 without any turret or other armament detail.
Here are some RLM and Focke-Wulf documents from June 1944 showing preparatory work for the construction of the Ta 400 V1.

Ta 400 June 13 1944.jpg


Fw 300 A June 10 1944.jpg
 

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Hi. watching the video of He 219 V1 (VG+LW) from post #48 of this thread

Some questions about the Heinkel He 219's Nacelle Thrust Line

I noticed that during take off and landing (the airport is Rostock Marienehe), the He 219 passed behind a He 177, and some details caught my attention:
1) the glazed nose is the typical rounded version of the V prototypes;
2) only the rear dorsal turret is present, but only as a dummy with a metal cover;
3) there is a "pack" installed on the tail;
4) the typical four letter code on the fuselage is missing.
After a brief research, I think that this He 177 is the V15 prototype (Werk nr 355001), used for testing a tail parachute as dive brake (the "pack" on the tail).
The video was taken after (at least) November 6, 1942, the date of the He 219 V1 first flight, and before June 24, 1944, when He 177 V15 crashed during tests.
Here some other screenshots from the same video:

He 177 V15 1.jpg
No Wr. Nr. on the tail

He 177 V15 2.jpg
The dummy dorsal turret

He 177 V15 3.jpg
The rounded glazed nose. The port engine is working; There is a small white text on the fuselage.

He 177 V15 4.jpg
The parachute pack on the tail.

He 177 V15 5.jpg
No four-letter code on the fuselage.

He 177 V15 6.jpg
Another view of the parachute pack.
 

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Does anyone here have info on the He-177A-6? (Including pictures.)
 

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Wouldn't the parachute be hosted under the dummy rear turret cover with the attach point below the gunner position in the fairing?
Notice that this could be also a glider towing harness point.
 

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Wouldn't the parachute be hosted under the dummy rear turret cover with the attach point below the gunner position in the fairing?
Notice that this could be also a glider towing harness point.
I think, for the best efficiency, that the parachute harness must be deployed "around" the tail, not below, as in the Do 217 installation:

Dornier 217 dive brake

Scroll the page to the last pictures. Maybe we will never see the He 177 parachute deployed in a picture or drawing...
 
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