Bréguet Combat Projects and Prototypes

[hesham]

Hi,

the Breguet Br.600 was a twin engined amphibian seaplane Project,intended for A46 competition
with Br.790.

 

[Justo Miranda]

Projects
source
-Aviation magazine unknown issue

 

[toura]

hi Justo
-The Breguet 696 is a bomber. crew 2
First flight november 03.1939
-The Breguet 697 is an heavy fighter. crew 2
First flight october 19.1939
2 Gnome Rhone engines 14 N 48/49 1070 hp
570 km/h 4500 m altitude
-The Breguet 698 is a dive bomber. crew 2
Nothing more
-The Breguet 699 is a 695 with American engine
Project !
-The Breguet 700 is a projected heavy fighter
crew 2.
Engine 2 Gnome Rhone 14 N 48/49 1180 hp
2 protos ordered before surender.
(Les avions Breguet)
Bye

 

[toura]

For Hesham
"les premiers avions Breguet :
http://www.hydroretro.net/etudegh/breguet.pdf.
Bye

 

[Maveric]

...a pic and some info about the Bréguet Bré.371T...

 

[Maveric]

...and some details of the Bré.450. Do you have a drawing, please?

 

[toura]

Hi TOPHE
between the br 790 and br 792, I read in a very old
"AVIATION MAGAZINE" That the project BR 791 was
a version of the 790 with a Gnome et Rhone 14 "Mars"
660 hp engine. Never build
Bye

 

[Tzoli]

And what would be the armament of these projects? On the drawing I see 6-7 holes on the front fuselage. So maybe 2-3x20mm and 4x7.5mm MG's? or 1x20mm, 2x12.7mm and 4x 7.5mm MG's?

 

[Pepe Rezende]

2 x 20 mm and 4 x 7.5mm

 

[Tzoli]

2 x 20 mm and 4 x 7.5mm

Thanks

 

[Stargazer]

Big task of the day was to make some sense of the mess that was this and a few other pre-war Bréguet-related topics.

We now have separate topics for airliners/transports, combat types and flying boats.

As usual, only the types that are sufficiently documented/developed deserve their own thread (several loners were therefore merged into either of these three generic topics — until of course we get enough material to grant them separate status).

"Early" combat Bréguet aircraft topics are now as follows:

• Bréguet combat projects and prototypes
• Bréguet 18 (XVIII)
• Bréguet 460 series (will perhaps be moved to the Aerospace section)
• Bréguet 480 series (will perhaps be moved to the Aerospace section)
• 1937 Programme Technique A20 (Bréguet 482 mention)
• 1932 competition for five-seat night bomber (Bréguet 580 mention)
• 1934 competition for three-seat fighter (Bréguet 690 mention)
• Bréguet 800 floatplane scout
• Bréguet 820 heavy fighter
• 1938 competition for twin-engine fighter (Bréguet 820 mention)

For other (non-combat) Bréguet aircraft, see:

• Bréguet transport and airliner projects and prototypes
• Bréguet flying boat projects and prototypes
• Bréguet gyroplane projects and prototypes

 

[hesham]

Hi,

the Breguet Br.600 was combat aircraft

Sorry for this mistake,


the Breguet Br.600 was amphibian version of Br.521.

 

[hesham]

Hi,


here is the Breguet Br.25 C.2 two seat sesquiplane fighter,powered by one
480 hp Lorraine engine.


http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k65682415/f2.image

 

[hesham]

the Breguet Br.600 was combat aircraft

Sorry for this mistake,

the Breguet Br.600 was amphibian version of Br.521.

There was anther Breguet Br.600 Project,or re-allocated to a twin engined seaplane,intended for
1937 A-46 Specification,powered by two 725 hp Hispano-Suiza AB 12/13 engine.

 

[hesham]

Hi,

the Breguet Br.720 was a four-seat night bomber Project,with retractable landing gear and powered
by four engines.

 

[hesham]

From Avions 113.

 

[hesham]

From Flying magazine 1935/11,

an Info about Breguet Br.660 twin engined light bomber and multi-seat fighter monoplane Project of 1935,
powered by two 900 hp Gnome-Rhone 14 Kf engine.

 

[Retrofit]

Factory drawing of the Bréguet Br.25:
Source "L'Aviation de chasse française 1918-1940" J. Curnel-Docavia

 

[hesham]

From, Le_Génie_civil___revue_[...]_bpt6k64894402

 

[Archibald]

hi Justo
-The Breguet 696 is a bomber. crew 2
First flight november 03.1939
-The Breguet 697 is an heavy fighter. crew 2
First flight october 19.1939
2 Gnome Rhone engines 14 N 48/49 1070 hp
570 km/h 4500 m altitude
-The Breguet 698 is a dive bomber. crew 2
Nothing more
-The Breguet 699 is a 695 with American engine
Project !
-The Breguet 700 is a projected heavy fighter
crew 2.
Engine 2 Gnome Rhone 14 N 48/49 1180 hp
2 protos ordered before surender.
(Les avions Breguet)
Bye

And you can see one among 10000 reasons why France lost and collapsed in 1940... so many variants when the much needed Breguet 693s were only 80 to try and stop the panzers in Gembloux and Tongres and Namur and later, at Sedan. With 60% loss rates, soon there was only a couple of dozens ones...

 

[Justo Miranda]

Epic

 

[fortrena]

If I may, I seem to recall that the Br 693 had one 20 mm cannon (on one side) and four machine guns in the nose which, if memory serves right, could be tilted downward a bit when conducting an attack at very low level.

Incidentally, at one point in 1938 or 1939, a Canadian maker of railway rolling stock, National Steel Car Corporation of Malton, Ontario, was planning to produce 144 or so examples of the Bréguet attack aircraft - possibly the Br 695, which had Pratt & Whitney R-1535 Twin Wasp jr. engines, which would have been easier to get that the French engines of the Br 693. The British Air Ministry more or less, dare I say, sabotaged the project to keep the Canadian aircraft industry to itself. National Steel Car, which was going to build Westland Lysander army cooperation aircraft, got an additional but relatively small British order for its trouble.

Stay safe.

 

[Apophenia]

If I may, I seem to recall that the Br 693 had one 20 mm cannon (on one side) and four machine guns in the nose which, if memory serves right, could be tilted downward a bit when conducting an attack at very low level.

Actually, the Bre 693 AB2 only had two, forward-firing 7.5 mm nose guns (with the single 20 mm HS 404 set off to starboard). The other two MAC 1934 machine guns were fired by the rear gunner/radio operator - one was on an Alkan 220 or 224 flexible mount, the other fixed to fire obliquely rearward and downward for strafing. Late-production aircraft had two additional MAC 1934s on 'wobble-mounts', one fixed to fire aft from the rear of each engine nacelle.

On the proposed 144 Canadian-built Bréguets, National Steel Car was originally partnered with another Canadian firm which eventually dropped out. Any idea who that second company was?

 

[fortrena]

Many thanks for correcting me.

As far as the other Canadian firm initially interested in the Bréguet project is concerned, I have to say I have found no info.

 

[hesham]

From TU 211,

a more info about Breguet Br.450 recce Project.

 

[Grey Havoc]

And you can see one among 10000 reasons why France lost and collapsed in 1940... so many variants when the much needed Breguet 693s were only 80 to try and stop the panzers in Gembloux and Tongres and Namur and later, at Sedan. With 60% loss rates, soon there was only a couple of dozens ones...

Though, the Br 698 would have likely been a quite useful addition to the order of battle as well.

 

[hesham]

Factory drawing of the Bréguet Br.25:
Source "L'Aviation de chasse française 1918-1940" J. Curnel-Docavia

A clearer view to it,from TU 172.

 

[hesham]

From Hydroretro site and TU 172,

I think there was a three designs for Br.360,the first was a BN5,five seat night
bomber,the second was a torpedo bomber version,the third was a transport
and airliner aircraft.

 

[chercheuravions]

I have something interesting for the Br 693, in the book of William Green, it's written : "Bre 693 was similar to the Bre 691 in equipment and armament, although late production machines introduced a single rear-firing MAC 1934 machine gun mounted at a negative angle in the tail of each engine nacelle"

Vol.7 war planes of the seconde world war, p.138

 

[hesham]

So weird,

here is a wind tunnel model for Breguet Br.701 as a reconnaissance aircraft
project,it is never mentioned in two volumes of the book,by Henro Lacaze ?!.

 

[Sivuch]

Actually, the Bre 693 AB2 only had two, forward-firing 7.5 mm nose guns (with the single 20 mm HS 404 set off to starboard). The other two MAC 1934 machine guns were fired by the rear gunner/radio operator - one was on an Alkan 220 or 224 flexible mount, the other fixed to fire obliquely rearward and downward for strafing. Late-production aircraft had two additional MAC 1934s on 'wobble-mounts', one fixed to fire aft from the rear of each engine nacelle.

On the proposed 144 Canadian-built Bréguets, National Steel Car was originally partnered with another Canadian firm which eventually dropped out. Any idea who that second company was?

As far as I know, vertically traversable (15°) cannon and machine guns were only installed on the Breguet 691. The forward armament on the Br 693 had a fixed inclination of 2.5°.
And, please don't consider this immodesty - https://en.topwar.ru/259321-esche-raz-o-francuzskom-pochti-bofajtere.html
Moreover, the French government was negotiating the organization of production of these aircraft in Canada at the National Steel Car plant. While negotiations with the English government were underway, the topic ceased to be relevant.
https://ingeniumcanada.org/channel/...he-history-of-no-425-squadron-alouette-part-3

 

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