German WW1 Fighters and Recce Aircraft Prototypes and Projects

[hesham]

many thanks my dear Tuizentfloot.

 

[hesham]

and as I know the DFW C.IV had a three different variants.

They are C.IV T.25,C.IV Avro and C.IV F.37.

 

[Maveric]

Lange listed no C.IV Avro (?) and the T.25 is listed without a C.IV designation.

 

[richard B]

SO FAR I KNOW : (but I don't know much about the D.F.W ...)

The DFW C.IV was a "normal" C. type , very similar to the later well known DFW C.V .

The T.25 was described as C.IV in the Gray & Thetford and Wagner & Nowarra 's books , but I think it is not right .

The T.29 looks like a C.IV / C.V with single bay wings. ( // or I )

The F.37 was the C.VII .

 

[hesham]

Thank you my dear Richard,

but F.37 was allocated to C.IV.

 

[richard B]

but F.37 was allocated to C.IV.

I am pretty sure : the F37 was C.VII for the army , later the civil (with cabin for three passengers) DFW P.I . (What is your source for C.IV / F37 ?)

 

[hesham]

Maybe, Typenhandbuch der deutschen Luftfahrttechnik

 

[richard B]

Maybe, Typenhandbuch der deutschen Luftfahrttechnik

Yes , Lange wrote "C IV (F 37)" and "F37 III (modified C IV)" , but the pictures of the C VII , P I , and F 37 all show a different plane with short fuselage , tall fin&rudder and no more V shaped horizontal tail surfaces .

 

[hesham]

OK my dear Richard.

 

[hesham]

Hi,

the Friedrichshafen D quadruplane of 1917 was not related to FF.54 quadruplane of 1918.

 

[richard B]

There was only one Friedrichshafen Vierdecker , the FF 54 , designed by Diplom-ingenieur van Grieß . It was flown late in 1917 .
It was unsuccessful , and modified several times ; At last , it crashed in summer 1918 , killing its pilot .

For some sources it was in 1918 modified as a Dreidecker (bottom fuselage wing deleted) , but watching the three pictures I know , it seems that only the wing-tips , outside the struts , were deleted )

 

[hesham]

Thank you my dear Richard.

 

[Tuizentfloot]

A late reaction about the DFW F 37.

Concerning the F 37 conflicting information exist. On the one hand "F 37 = C IV" (Lange, Typenhandbuch …), and the record breaking F 37/III was a re-engined C IV. On the other hand "F 37 = C VII" (eg. Nowarra). I limit myself to German authors.

About DFW there is other conflicting information. T 25 is often considered as the in-house designation of the C IV (eg. Kroschel, Militärflugzeuge …). For Lange and Nowarra (Entwicklung …) the T 25 was an experimental single bay C-type, designed by Dorner. The dimensions given by Nowarra are smaller than those of the C IV.

In my very humble opinion the assumption F 37 = C VII is the correct one. As earlier said by richard B photographs of the C VII show a short fuselage and a tall fin and rudder. Completely different from the C IV.

Only … it is not 100% sure that the designation C VII ever existed…

In 1918 DFW apparently didn't use any longer the in-house designation "T", but instead used "F" (F 34, F 37). So, the identity of the 1918 type F 37 with the C VII seems logical.

And why a C IV should have been used to re-engine for a 1919 record-breaking flight? The C IV was an "old" 1916 type, built in small numbers.

Conclusion: This is not the end of DFW mysteries. But that's the charm of early German aviation.

 

[hesham]

Many thanks my dear Tuizentfloot,

and anyone heard about Germania C.III ?.

 

[Tuizentfloot]

Unfortunately no idea...

 

[hesham]

Unfortunately no idea...

Thank you my dear Tuizentfloot,

and what about Germania Type C (KDD) ?.

 

[richard B]

https://www.sdtb.findbuch.net/php/view.php?ar_id=3750&link=56492e312e303036x1048&path=c76bf76bdd6dd5dcdddcecc76bf7dc3a383d36fcc1d0f63f3a30fec76bf763dac7e0c7e1e1e3c16e383fc7c1d830373f36c76bf763dac7e0c7e1e1e3c1e1e0e1e6efc739f13f#&path=c76bf76bdd6dd5dcdddcecc76bf7dc3a383d36fcc1d0f63f3a30fec76bf763dac7e0c7e1e1e3c16e383fc7c1d830373f36c76bf763dac7e0c7e1e1e3c1e1e0e1e6efc739f13f

 

[Tuizentfloot]

The KDD (KampfDoppelDecker) was certainly an experimental C-type, but no other designations are known.

 

[hesham]

Thank you my dears Richard and Tuizentfloot,

and I know the Halberstadt A.I called E.14,A.II called F.14 and B.1 called A.15,what
was this designation series ?.

 

[Tuizentfloot]

And B II also called B.15.

No explanation, unfortunately.

 

[hesham]

And B II also called B.15.

No explanation, unfortunately.

Thanks.

 

[Vahe Demirjian]

In the meantime I found this drawing of a Naglo biplane, apparently the D II biplane.
See https://www.facebook.com/pages/Naglo-Bootswerft-Aircraft/222598187820258

Now I know what the Naglo D.II looked like. Are there any photos of the D.II prototype (serial number 1165/18)?

 

[hesham]

From L +K 14/1984.

 

[144printsdev]

the Naglo D.I was a single seat quadruplane fighter (1161/18),actually built.

Maybe a Naglo D.I speculative drawing.

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Oh... Many memories came back watching that profile... I've made a 3D model of that Naglo, some yeras ago, using the drawing that mr. Backus sent to me... here there are a pair of (really very, very, very basic) renders I did.