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The CVN-21 Gerald Ford is making school.....
thanks. ill ask a mod to delete my post thenWe already have an extensive thread on PA NG here: https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/pa-ng-next-gen-french-aircraft-carrier-program.30950/page-6
I have these images...
Can someone translate what PA 25 says.This French forum has the best info on design histories, not just for Clemenceau/Focus but also many other pre- and post-war naval designs. I think some of the info is from the Jean Moulin book referenced in the 1st link you posted in the OP.
PORTE-AVIONS CLASSE CLEMENCEAU
PORTE-AVIONS CLASSE CLEMENCEAU (FRANCE) Le porte-avions Clemenceau à la mer. La présence de Crotale indique que la photo est postérieure à octobre 1986 AVANT Pforummarine.forumactif.com
Still not a lot of detail, except for this pic of PA-25 from the book.
"Project PA25 (variant C during the Occupation).Can someone translate what PA 25 says.This French forum has the best info on design histories, not just for Clemenceau/Focus but also many other pre- and post-war naval designs. I think some of the info is from the Jean Moulin book referenced in the 1st link you posted in the OP.
PORTE-AVIONS CLASSE CLEMENCEAU
PORTE-AVIONS CLASSE CLEMENCEAU (FRANCE) Le porte-avions Clemenceau à la mer. La présence de Crotale indique que la photo est postérieure à octobre 1986 AVANT Pforummarine.forumactif.com
Still not a lot of detail, except for this pic of PA-25 from the book.
Thank you."Project PA25 (variant C during the Occupation).Can someone translate what PA 25 says.This French forum has the best info on design histories, not just for Clemenceau/Focus but also many other pre- and post-war naval designs. I think some of the info is from the Jean Moulin book referenced in the 1st link you posted in the OP.
PORTE-AVIONS CLASSE CLEMENCEAU
PORTE-AVIONS CLASSE CLEMENCEAU (FRANCE) Le porte-avions Clemenceau à la mer. La présence de Crotale indique que la photo est postérieure à octobre 1986 AVANT Pforummarine.forumactif.com
Still not a lot of detail, except for this pic of PA-25 from the book.
The armament comprised 8 100mm AA, 16 40mm and 20 20mm. After the Liberation, a variant D, of a slightly different silhouette, was provided with 8 100mm AA, 8 quadruple 40mm mounts (including one in the extreme front), and 4 20mm." I'm not sure if for the Variant D, it means 4 quadruple 20mm or 4 20mm in total.
The transformation of the seaplane transport Commandant Teste into an escort aircraft carrier was mentioned in October 1945, only to be abandoned the following February.
Which apparently translates to"Per prima cosa, il ritmo delle operazioni aeree in tempo di guerra fu gravemente sottostimato e la portaerei aveva una capacità di carburante per l'aviazione insufficiente - 270.000 litri.
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Come tale, in un progetto riveduto datato gennaio 1945 (PA16A), tenendo conto dell'esperienza in tempo di guerra, il carburante per l'aviazione fu quasi raddoppiato a poco meno di 510.000 litri."
First, the wartime [rate of fuel usage by the airgroup] was seriously underestimated, and the carrier had insufficient aviation fuel capacity - 270,000 litres.
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As such, in a revised design dated January 1945 (PA16A), taking into account wartime experience, aviation fuel was almost doubled to just under 510,000 litres.
PA16A/PA16B
Dimensions: length: 236m
Displacement: 20.000tons (standard)
Speed: 30 knots
Number of aircrafts: 40
First Project after the end of WWII based on the Joffre design.
I have learned recently that apparently during the years of the occupation, the Vichy government planned to use a gun of either 114 or 115mm caliber. This weapon was found on these aforementioned carriers, and on some of their large fleet escort ships (which are briefly mentioned by Jordan). Details are lacking, and Gollevainen, the artist for this drawing, is afraid someone will steal his sources if he shares them before his project is done. Perhaps we might get a bit more info from there later.That PA-25 surely had British heavy AA as no other country used the 4,5" / 114mm calibre.
Congratulation for the expanding family and the new house !I have stuff regarding these carrier projects as well, I will reveal and share all I got, no worries but unfortunetly you have to wait abit. I’m currently occupied by out third child and our process to move to a bigger house so sparetime is very limited. I expect to be available for this sometime early next year. I have some info on various destroyer projects from vichy and post 1944 era as well which I try to publish sooner
Golly
I've always liked it .That is something I worked up from the original PH-75, and is in no way anything other than a figment of my imagination created for an alternate-history exercise.