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Arado Ar 234 projects and variants

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Grzesio said:
...For example, the Ar 234 with Hs 293 A is drawn after an original German scheme explaining, why Hs 293 A cannot be carried by Ar 234 in this fashion. :)
Was thinking of to low ground clearance, but for such oversized loads a launch trolley seem to have been considered
again. Which other reasons were given ?
 

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Was thinking of to low ground clearance
Yes, and retracting of the launding gear was impossible - the nose wheel would collide with the ballast weight at the missile nose, while main wheels would collide with missile wings.

but for such oversized loads a launch trolley seem to have been considered
Really was there such an idea? A great care and a lot of effort was put into providing sufficient ground clearance for a number of bigger weapons, some were simply disqualified because of the insufficient GC... Life would have been much easier if there had been a launch trolley on hand. :)
 

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Grzesio said:
Really was there such an idea?
The use of a trolley at least is shown in several drawings, so I think, it was at least contemplated and
with the V8 prototype, a four engined variant actually used it. How serious such thoughts actually were,
who knows ? Without doubt, the Arado engineers came up with them, when the outcome of WW II for
Germany was undoubtly foreseeable.
 

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Grzesio said:
Really was there such an idea?
The Orlginal AR 234 concept, had to land on three retractable skids as landing gear
For take off it use a jettisonable three-wheeled, nosegear-style trolley.
after first trails they discovered how stupid this idea was.
so the B version was modified to have fully retractable tricycle landing gear.

but the idea stuck for bigger payload like V1 (also for Hs 293 A ?)
the reason why ? was simple, the AR 234 was the biggest Jet aircraft the Luftwaffe had in 1944/45.
It could fly those mission and get back alive.

i got a question on AR 234 R
it seems that is a Rocket-powered short range high-altitude reconnaissance version
now had 234 R had to use pure rocket power with Walter HWK 109-509 or it use BMW 003R form Me 262 C-2b ?
 

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Hmmm... But do we have any evidence, trolley was actually considered for Ar 234 B/C with any bigger load (except Mistel), or is it just a speculation? I don't think I've ever seen such a combination.

i got a question on AR 234 R
it seems that is a Rocket-powered short range high-altitude reconnaissance version
now had 234 R had to use pure rocket power with Walter HWK 109-509 or it use BMW 003R form Me 262 C-2b ?
Both. :) Three rocket Ar 234 variants were considered:
- with two HWK 109-509 C-1 in nacelles under wings;
- with one HWK 109-509 C-1 (?) under the tail; both were cancelled in mid 1944.
- with two BMW 109-003 R; Ar 234 V16 was planned in but never completed.
All are illustrated just above in hesham's post, drawing 25.
 

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Hi,


http://www.fzt.haw-hamburg.de/pers/Scholz/dglr/hh/text_2011_03_03_Swept_Wing.pdf
 

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Interesting comparison there H, & makes an intriguing contrast with the similar Junkers/B-52 resemblance,
almost like they had traded podded/buried engine layout ideas..
 

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My dear Paul,


here is the same report as I guess;


http://www.deutscheluftwaffe.de/archiv/Dokumente/ABC/a/Alliierte/Lockheed%20E_395.pdf
 

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And anther report about Ar.234;


http://www.deutscheluftwaffe.de/archiv/Dokumente/ABC/a/Arado/Ar%20234/Arado_Ar234_Dokumente_Konvolut.pdf
 

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From; Secret Nazi Aircraft 1939 -1945 Luftwaffe's Advanced Aircraft Projects
 

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Arado Ar 234C-3/N

I've got this small excerpt detailing the night fighter version of the four-engined Ar 234 (very similar to the two-engined Ar 234B-2/N which saw limited service), i'm wondering if someone has the full report detailing weight etc.
 

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Re: Arado Ar 234C-3/N

Hi Clipper,

a small info about it;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arado_Ar_234

Ar 234 C-3/N
Proposed two-seat night fighter version, armed with two forward-firing 20 mm MG 151/20 and two 30 mm (1.18 in) MK 108 cannons, fitted with a mid-VHF band FuG 218 Neptun V radar.
 

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Re: Arado Ar 234C-3/N

Well that's basically a summary of what's on that excerpt i already posted, but i'm looking for more details, e.g. the rest of the report.

Thank you for the input nevertheless.

UPDATE

I've founds some info which apparently compares Do 335, Me 262 and Ar 234 night fighter variants;

Source: Dornier Do 335, 435, 635 by Manfred Griehl
 

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Re: Arado Ar 234C-3/N

Nice find Clipper,

also we can merge those topics;

http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,5631.0.html
 

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Hi,

here is in Pictures No 2 & 3 a variants of Ar.234,but I don't know Ar.234 Type-E,also
what was in the pictures No 4,5 & 6,a glider and a motor glider or something else ?.

Strahflugzeug Arado Ar 234 Blitz
 

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Dear Hesham,

I believe the pictures 4 and 5 portray an Arado Ar 234R variant with rocket-assisted take off. Arado 234E-1 variant was to have He S011 engines and Mk 103 (i think) in a gunpod under the fuselage.

Sources:
Kagero Monnografie 33 "Ar 234" by Marek J. Murawski
Monografie Lotniczie 32 "Ar 234 Blitz" by Seweryn Fleischer, Marek Rys
 

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many thanks,and you are welcome Imperialist,

but what was in the wing,a propeller ?.
 

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A small propeller driving fuel pumps, according to the caption (I wonder if it wasn't just an electric generator as in the Me 163...?).
The variant in the picture is purely rocket propelled.
 

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Also from Model Art 348 German Jets in WW II
 

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Thanks a lot. Breath taking!!
 

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I get a site unconfigured message at this site. What am I doing wrong/
 

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Re: Re: Rare Aircraft

May I ask from which source the Arado photos come from?
 

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From a site that I lost. But I think it was a German site or a Russian one. Found one
http://www.germanluftwaffe.com/archiv/Dokumente/ABC/a/Arado/Ar%20234/Arado_Ar234_Dokumente_Konvolut.pdf
 

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Two views of the wooden mock-up of the camera itallations inside the rear section of the Ar 234’s fuselage. These lOtographs may have belonged to a series of prints sent to the, M before a first prototype jet reconnaissance aircraft was rebuilt
 

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Amazing pictures!! Thanks a lot. :D
 

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From the book, Ar-234 «Блиц» (Война и мы. Авиаколлекция).
 

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Exhibits from the Kbely museum: arrow-wing Ar 234 diagram (note: it should be straight wing, not "fixed"; bad translation), wooden model of an experimental Ar 234 wing, picture of the wind tunel tests of said wings, as tested in the Flugtechnische Versuchanstalt Prag.
 

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Thank you. Is there more published information about the Flugtechnische Versuchanstalt Prag?
 

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Thank you. Much appreciated.
 
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