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Hi,


here is the Amiot earlier aircraft,the Amiot 01 of 1912.


Aerophile magazine
 

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A transport project in profile form, taken from Le Trait d'Union N°154 (March-April 1994) and captioned as the "Amiot 150" (attachment #1).


A small info about Amiot 150 transport aircraft project,from L'Aerophile 1926.
 

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Hi,


here is the Models and Drawings to Amiot (SECM) E6 & E7 Projects.
 

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From l'Aeronautique 1938,


here is a patent for Amiot-340 with improvement in a new radiator in cooled engine
system.
 

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hesham said:
there was an unknown of macquets to french bomber and twin boom fighter.


Maybe they are not related to Amiot,please see;


http://www.tajan.com/pdf/2003/aviation20030621.pdf
 

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Could E6 and E7 on jpg referred to amiot 146 and 147 ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amiot_143

There are any more informations about derived versions ?

(excluding amiot 144 and 150)
 

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My dear Airmen,


I think not,they intended for early 1930s program,which led to develop Amiot-340.
 

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Than Amiot 351 and their derivates was born by Amiot 340 and their derivates that was born by derivates of Amiot 143 !! :D
 

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airman said:
Could E6 and E7 on jpg referred to amiot 146 and 147 ?


Yes my dear Airmen,


but E6 and E7 were not Amiot 146 and 147.
 

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British Pathé newsreel footage of the Amiot 370, along with aviator Maurice Rossi and mechanic Andre Vigroux.

What a beautiful aircraft.

YouTube: British Pathe: "French Plane Attacks The Air Speed Record (1938)"
 
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Thanks Boxman.

At this time France made a few good planes. Alas, the engines were not as good...
 

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Nice contemporary advert for the Amiot 370 competition aircraft (based on the early bomber in the 340/350 series).

Source: L'Air January 1944
 

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Hi Amiot 341 long range postal aircraft demonstrated at 1936 Paris air show.
Amiot 341 was a base of 370 record aircraft(first flight : 25th July 1937) and 340 bomber(first flight : 6th December 1937).

http://www.historyofwar.org/articles/weapons_amiot_340.html
"The Amiot 340 was a three-seat twin engined bomber based on the graceful Amiot 370 racing aircraft and which was the basis for the Amiot 350 family of bombers. The entire family of aircraft was based on the Amiot 341 long range postal aircraft, which was displayed at the 1936 Paris Air Show.

Amiot built the Amiot 370 to compete in a 1937 race between New York and Paris. Although the race was cancelled, Amiot completed the aircraft, and it made its maiden flight on 25 July 1937. Powered by two 860hp Hispano-Suiza 12Yjrs/Ykrs engines, and with a very streamlined appearance, it broke a number of 2,000km speed records at the start of 1938.

Work on a military version, the Amiot 340, ran somewhat behind that on the 370, and the Amiot 340 didn't make its maiden flight until 6 December 1937. The Amiot 340 was powered by two 920hp Gnôme & Rhône 14P 14-cylinder air-cooled radial engines during its first flights, but these were soon replaced by more reliable 920hp 14N01/02 engines (paired engines rotating in opposite directions).

Official trials began at the Air Material Research Centre at Villacoublay near Paris on 21 March 1938. After these tests had ended the prototype was used on a propaganda flight, when General Joseph Vuillemin, the Chief of the Air Staff, used it to fly to Berlin in response to an invitation from General Ernst Udet.

After this flight a number of modifications requested after the official trials were made, resulting in the aircraft being redesignated as the Amiot 351 No 01(with twin vertical tail stabilizer). Amongst the changes were the addition of a fourth crewman and the use of contoured engine cowlings. The aircraft also received more powerful engines. In this form (and in a number of alternatives with different engines) the Amiot 351 was ordered into production, although very few aircraft actually reached the Armée de l'Air before the Battle of France in May-June 1940."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amiot_354
Amiot 340.01 Two 686 kW (920 hp) Gnome-Rhône 14P, single-tail prototype (one built)
Amiot 350 351 re-engined with two 686 kW (920 hp) Hispano-Suiza 12Y-28 / Hispano-Suiza 12Y-29 engines (one built)
Amiot 351.01 Amiot 351 prototype.
Amiot 351 Two 707 kW (950 hp) Gnome-Rhône 14N-38 / Gnome-Rhône 14N-39, twin-tail (17) (This number may be low)
Amiot 352 351 re-engined with two 820 kW (1,100 hp) Hispano-Suiza 12Y-50 / Hispano-Suiza 12Y-51 engines (one built)
Amiot 353 351 re-engined with two 768 kW (1,030 hp) Rolls-Royce Merlin III engines (one built)
Amiot 354 351 re-engined with two 798 kW (1,070 hp) Gnome-Rhône 14N-48 / Gnome-Rhône 14N-49, most with single-tail. (45) (This number is probably low)
Amiot 355.01 351 re-engined with two 895 kW (1,200 hp) Gnome-Rhône 14R-2 / Gnome-et-Rhone 14R-3 engines (one built)
Amiot 356.01 354 re-engined with two 842 kW (1,130 hp) Rolls-Royce Merlin X engines (one built)
Amiot 357 high-altitude prototype with pressurized cabin, two 895 kW (1,200 hp) Hispano-Suiza 12Z-89 turbocharged engines (one built)
Amiot 358 351 re-engined post-war with two 895 kW (1,200 hp) Pratt & Whitney R-1830 engines (one built)
Amiot 370 single-tail racer with two 642 kW (860 hp) Hispano-Suiza 12Yirs / Hispano-Suiza 12Yjrs engines, developed specifically for (later cancelled) Paris-New York race (one built)

Perhaps bottom drawing's upper aircraft is Amiot 351.01, 351 prototype.
 

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Amiot 370.
I can see some radiator air intake shape in following pictures.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5l-ZSvfHstw

Picture source.
https://www.passionair1940.fr/Armee%20de%20l%27Air/Appareils/Transport/Amiot-370F/Amiot-370F.htm
https://www.aviafrance.com/amiot-370-aviation-france-3179.htm
https://www.aviarmor.net/aww2/aircraft_aux/france/amiot370.htm
 

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Amiot 351.
http://www.historyofwar.org/articles/weapons_amiot_351.html

"The first production order for the Amiot 351, powered by 950hp Gnôme & Rhône 14N38/39 engines, was placed three weeks later, when the first order was modified to one for 40 Amiot 350s and 100 Amiot 351 B4s (four seat bombers). "

Russian site.
http://www.airwar.ru/enc/bww2/a351.html
http://aviadejavu.ru/Site/Crafts/Craft21928.htm

Bottom drawing's title is Amiot 351B4, but I think this drawing shows Amiot 351.01.
Perhaps No.3 drawing shows Amiot 351 B4.
 

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Hi! 340-01 three side view drawing, side view drawing, picture and 351-01 side view.

http://alexww1.livejournal.com/128874.html#/128874.html
 

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That's impossible,

where is a Projects or a little known aircraft in those posts ?!.
 

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This drawing shows
(1) 340.01
(2) 351
(3) 353(R.R Merlin Ⅲ engine) or 356.01(R.R Merlin Ⅹ engine)
(4) 370

http://www.afwing.com/intro/Amiot350/1.htm
 

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Hi!

Squadron/Signal Publications 1189 "AIRCRAFT Number 189 French Bombers of WWII in action" , SQUADRON/SIGNAL PUBLICATIONS INC. USA , 2003

http://sassik.livejournal.com/411709.html

You can get PDF file in this site.
 

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All those stuff is belonged to Aerospace section,not here ?.
 

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In my humble opinion,

I am not sure that the french bombers before and during the WW2 are well known by all the forumers of SecretProjects. Thereby, the (80-85 ?) Amiot 351 and 354 are certainly less known. And the prototypes (370, 340, 356 and the others...) are even less known.

I my case, I am interested, and sometimes very interested (in particular the movies in replies 49 and 53 and the comparison in reply 59), by these posts of Blackkite.
 

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Thanks for gentle words. I am very happy. :D
Please enjoy 351-01 larger images.
 

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Hi! Amiot 140.

http://www.historyofwar.org/articles/weapons_amiot_143.html

http://www.airwar.ru/enc/bww1/a140.html

http://military.sakura.ne.jp/world/w_amiot143.htm

Amiot 140: The original type aircraft. Hispano-Suiza 12NBR Engine (650hp) mounted. 4-seat bombing/reconnaissance aircraft (2 aircraft)
Amiot 142: Retrofit aircraft equipped with Hispano-Suiza 12ybrs engine (860hp) (1 unit renovation)
Amiot 143: Production type with Gnome-Rhone made engine (138 aircraft)
Amiot 144: Improvement of the wing, and retractable undercarriage. (1 unit renovation)
Amiot 150be: Reconnaissance/Torpedo bomber type prototype with floats (1 unit)
 

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Hi! Amiot 142.

http://www.airwar.ru/enc/bww2/a142.html
 

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Amiot 144.
http://www.airwar.ru/enc/bww2/a144.html
 

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Amiot 150BE had twin vertical tail stabilizer and floats.
So this three side view drawing with single vertical tail stabilizer shows Amiot 150 prototype before modification?

http://aviadejavu.ru/Site/Crafts/Craft26517.htm

http://www.airwar.ru/enc/bww1/a150.html

https://warmachinesdrawn.blogspot.jp/2017/10/amiot-150.html
 

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I think that this picture shows Amiot 150 prototype with single vertical tail stabilizer.
Upper fuselage turret shape is open type.
Perhaps directional inherent stability of this prototype was poor because of float. So I think twin vertical stabilizer was needed.
 

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hesham said:
here is the Models and Drawings to Amiot (SECM) E6 & E7 Projects.

In my files,

the SECM E7 had a version for a seaplane or amphibian,confirm needed ?.
 

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Hi! Amiot 110. Radiator is impressive.

http://www.aviastar.org/air/france/amiot_secm-110.php

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amiot_110
"The Amiot 110, also known as the Amiot-SECM 110, was a French prototype interceptor designed and built in 1929.
Development
The Amiot 110 was designed as a contender in the so-called "Jockey" lightweight interceptor contest, competing against nine other types. It was a braced parasol wing monoplane with an all-metal structure and metal skinned fuselage. The first prototype had a fabric covered wing, replaced by metal skinning in the second. It had fixed, conventional landing gear; the stub wing behind the gear was part of a jettisonable fuel tank.(Drop tank!! :eek:)
Operational history
It first flew in June 1928 and looked a promising candidate to win the "Jockey" contest. However it crashed on 1 July 1929, killing the pilot due to several loose rivets and integrity flaws. No further production went ahead after a second prototype was deemed inferior to the Nieuport-Delage NiD 62.
 

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A transport project in profile form, taken from Le Trait d'Union N°154 (March-April 1994) and captioned as the "Amiot 150" (attachment #1).

Looking at the tail designation, I have a feeling it reads more like "Amiot 160"... Besides, the Amiot 150 designation was used for a real aircraft, a seaplane variant of the Amiot 143 (see attachments #2 and #3). Thoughts, anyone?

Also from the L'Air Revue 1926m,

the Amiot-150 three engined transport Project.
 

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From TU 152,

here is an Info about Amiot-100 (Amiot X).
 

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From Aviation magazine 1962,

here is a more Info about Amiot 20 to 26,and types 160,170 & 180.
 

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From TU 287, a small Info;

AMIOT

Published by LELA Presse, a monumental study on the Amiot 143 family, entitled "L’Amiot 143, from Amiot 140 to
Amiot 150". Written by Jérôme Ribeiro and Michel Ledet, this is book 18 in the Profiles Avions collection. Without
entering the detail of this work, some interesting points:

The Amiot 142 engine prototype Hispano-Suiza 12 Ybrs became Amiot 147 with retractable train and two-tailed
tailplane.It flew at the end of 1936 in this new configuration, then was transformed into Amiot 143 in 1938. Types 145
and 146 responded to the seaplane program of bombardment transformable into terrestrial of August 8, 1933. The
first received 14 Kdrs Gnome-Rhône engines 800 ch. and the second of Hispano-Suiza 12 Ybrs of 670 hp. The program
was abandoned and the 145 and 146 with. More Amiot 150 will respond to schedule from 1935 of the Navy.

Details on the Amiot 150M can be found in volume 3 of the review Les Ailes Françaises, devoted to floatplane.
 

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hesham said:
Hi,
The Amiot-530 was four engined passenger transport project,
developed from Amiot-380.
Dear Hesham, this thread is so generic that it's doing my head in ??? . I've found a 3-view sketch of the Amiot 530 taken from the 15th February 1963 issue of Aviation Magazine. I don't know how accurate the sketch is......
Terry (Caravellarella)
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hesham said:
Hi,
The Amiot-530 was four engined passenger transport project,
developed from Amiot-380.
Dear Hesham, this thread is so generic that it's doing my head in ??? . I've found a 3-view sketch of the Amiot 530 taken from the 15th February 1963 issue of Aviation Magazine. I don't know how accurate the sketch is......
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Amiot - 530 seems be a larger Amiot 370 with 4 four engines.
 

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hesham said:
Hi,
The Amiot-530 was four engined passenger transport project,
developed from Amiot-380.
Dear Hesham, this thread is so generic that it's doing my head in ??? . I've found a 3-view sketch of the Amiot 530 taken from the 15th February 1963 issue of Aviation Magazine. I don't know how accurate the sketch is......
Terry (Caravellarella)
The attached pictures were found at the image sharing and social media service Pinterest. The original source is for me unknown so far.

I discover this drawings of the Amiot-530 only today. Thanks fightingirish.

I had just wondered a few months ago which plane was represented in the Biography of Félix Amiot
 

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Great find my dear Deltafan,

and there was also anther book ?.
 

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