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Western Artists' Concepts of Soviet aircraft during the Cold War

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This what i have....
But it seemd that this jet apsolutely fake...
 

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Vladimir said:
This what i have....
But it seemd that this jet apsolutely fake...

This looks a lot like one of those old Lindberg or Aurora 1:48 scale models my dad used to have. Completely inaccurate but nice!
 

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Hi! Tu-200.
We can see some tail horizontal stabilizer position in these drawings.
 

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I believe the so-called "Tu-200" was a completely bogus Tupolev project resulting from misinterpretation of Soviet information by the West.
 

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Thansk a lot. Who made up this sinful project? ;D


TuG-75 source : Flying Magazine December 1951
 

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I thought we still have search function working well at the forum...
http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,275.msg197442.html#msg197442
 

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Flying magazine December 1951.

https://books.google.co.jp/books?id=iL5jfqrWEM8C&pg=PA13&lpg=PA13&dq=Tupolev+TuG-75&source=bl&ots=VBCgZ-5EtQ&sig=Puz17FKYWKOzsRFkw3pImdE9p3o&hl=ja&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj457TKxbDJAhXMHJQKHdecCAoQ6AEIHzAA#v=onepage&q=Tupolev%20TuG-75&f=false
 

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Hi,

the MiG-25 & MiG-23 from 1967,an artist drawings.

Советские самолеты А.С.Яковлев 1979
 

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These are not 'artist drawings', but heavily retouched photos from Domodedovo air parade.
 

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pometablava said:
Also from "Avión" but from March 1956 issue.

This is an hypotetical nuclear powered bomber

Hi,

http://archive.aviationweek.com/image/spread/19551010/28/2
 

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I was fumbling around at lunch today and came across this post. Every time a see reference to tis supposed project, I think of the Chinese J-9.

PaulMM (Overscan) said:
Service testing of a new single seat single engine fighter with double delta (a la Viggen) wing, closely resembling the "Faithless", intended as the MiG-21 successor.

Air International October 1974
 

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There is a pic of a model of this 3-view in another thread on the MiG-31, IIRC, here on SPF.
 

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Hi,

http://www.avia-it.com/act/biblioteca/periodici/PDF%20Riviste/Ala/L'Ala%201948%2007.pdf
 

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Please note drawing No.8;

http://www.avia-it.com/act/biblioteca/periodici/PDF%20Riviste/Ala%20d'Italia/L'ALA%20D'ITALIA%201951%2001-2.pdf
 

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Hi,

http://www.plam.ru/actcosm/puteshestvija_v_kosmos/p6.php
 

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Once more, what it has to do with the topic? It's not 'Western artist concept of Soviet aircraft' in any way. This is what-if art of fictional airliner from a Soviet magazine.
 

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Hi,

Please note pictures No 1 & 6.

http://www.avia-it.com/act/biblioteca/periodici/PDF%20Riviste/Ala%20d'Italia/L'ALA%20D'ITALIA%201952%20012.pdf
 

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Hi,

http://www.avia-it.com/act/biblioteca/periodici/PDF%20Riviste/Ala%20d'Italia/L'ALA%20D'ITALIA%201954%2004-5.pdf
 

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From JAWA 1985.
 

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Better quality pictures to supplement Reply #151 of this topic:

Spread from 1955' issue of Air Trails magazine (source http://www.airplanesandrockets.com/magazines/air-trails/air-progress-soviet-air-force-mar-1955-air-trails.htm), drawings by Douglas Rolfe.

Looking on the represented types, I wonder, how it's possible to draw them so inaccurate: Jak-23 didn't have any visible airscoop in front, MiG-15bis have two engines etc?

This has been just popular magazine of youngsters, as far as I understand. But did another, more professional books or magazines of this period, similarly incorrect?

Anyway, Doug Rolfe drawings have been a good example of style - both aircraft and cars. Just check http://www.airplanesandrockets.com/index.htm - "Vintage magazines" section
 

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Found at whatifmodelers. I don't know if these were serious artist concepts of supersonic Soviet bombers or not. Originated from Avpro(?)
 

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I believe they were Myasishchev M-20 studies, part of the evolution that lead to the Tu-160.
Not really sure why Avpro drew these, or what their aim was in general!
 

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Quad-packaged jets looks quite unusual, aren't they?
 

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Hood said:
I believe they were Myasishchev M-20 studies, part of the evolution that lead to the Tu-160.
Not really sure why Avpro drew these, or what their aim was in general!
Yes, this is one of M-20 variants.
 

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flateric said:
Yes, this is one M-20 variants.

Curiously, Google search-by-image immediately suggest, that this is M-20.
There have been plenty of projects' versions: https://testpilot.ru/russia/myasishchev/m/20/m20_1.htm
 

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were is the Soviet responding to NAA X-15,speculative design of course.

http://www.oltreilcielo.it/pic/1960/sv133-006.jpg
 

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an interesting design, not one I recall seeing previously, do you know if it had any basis in reality or merely a speculative exercise assuming a Soviet X.15 equivalent ?

cheers, Joe
 

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A twin fuselage missile launcher aircraft.

Oltre il Cielo 1959 01
 

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From Oltre il Cielo 1959 05
 

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From Cielo 1953 12
 

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From Cielo 1954 1.
 

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From Ali Nouva 2/1952.
 

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From Aero Journal 6-7/1999,
 

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John Forbat's, TSR2 precision attack to Tornado, has an interesting Vickers design for a possible Soviet M3 bomber with stand off missiles ! hmm are there any other examples of such 'official' future planning adversary designs ? the GD. Mig2000 comes to mind ?
 
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From Aviation magazine 1963.
 

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