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Western Artists' Concepts of Soviet aircraft during the Cold War

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MiG-15, -17 and -19 from a current eBay auction. The two single engine jets look like the two common early misconceptions but the twin looks like one of the Yak twins or maybe an Alexiev(?) design IMHO.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/400685460452?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
 

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If we read the back of the photo, the top is supposed to be the twin engined MiG-17 successor to the MiG-15, the middle is an all-weather twin jet fighter, and the bottom is the MiG-19 "Flying Barrel".


Its dated 16 Feb 1953.


Strangely, the top design is quite similar to the I-320 prototype of 1949. Bottom seems to be a Ta-183. Middle is kind of a Yak-25, but 2 years before it was shown to the West.
 

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That's an excellent link to the Ta-183 based fighter shown in the e-bay item on the previous page from 1953.
It shows this misinformation stuck around for at least two years with the same MiG-19 designation. Odd to see the Ta-183 as the MiG-19, when for years it was said the Ta-183 was "copied" to produce the MiG-15!
 

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hesham said:
famvburg said:
MiG-15, -17 and -19 from a current eBay auction. The two single engine jets look like the two common early misconceptions but the twin looks like one of the Yak twins or maybe an Alexiev(?) design IMHO.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/400685460452?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

Great find Famvburg,and we can put them here;

And from Popular Mechanics;


http://books.google.com.eg/books?id=xdwDAAAAMBAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=popular+mechanics+1955&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Q5MEVLHaBqmu0QWsoYHQDw&ved=0CCQQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=popular%20mechanics%201955&f=false
 

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Hi hesham,very cool concepts,thanks a lot for sharing.




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Those drawings are remarkably correct, at least with regards to the plan views, so they probably
were made using satellite imagery, I think.
 

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Jemiba said:
Those drawings are remarkably correct, at least with regards to the plan views, so they probably
were made using satellite imagery, I think.

IIRC, some of the overheads were published in the open literature in the 80s.
 

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From 64 years (!) ago. Saw this on Facebook somewhere and then found a copy on eBay. Thanks to Deino for explaining to me how to reduce the sizes of images! I had no idea it is so simple! I think the only design they got correct was the MiG-9.
 

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From AW&ST Feb. 19, 1979, an artist concept of the Super Foxbat, to be later known as the MiG-31 Foxhound.
 

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Many thanks famvburg!
 

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Great find RAP,


but I am also can't ID it,if it was a variant of MiG aircraft 518,the cockpit is different,and if it was a
variant of Sukhoi T10,the spine is different ?.
 

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Unfortunately I don't know anything about this model or what aircraft it is supposed to represent. I checked Ebay today and it has sold along with the other models so unfortunately I can provide pictures of the other ones for comparison. I should have at least copied the photos. I glad you caught this one. Oh well, live and learn.
 

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The models are likely of Su-27/MiG-29 "artists impressions", but how old they are is obviously uncertain.


According to http://www.buzzfile.com/business/Parker-Models-909-597-6287


"Parker Models" seems to have been trading for 16 years, but obviously Mr Parker could have done these specific models earlier.
 

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Thank you my dear Paul.
 

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I contacted the seller to see if he could provide more info on the models. He said these were produced in the early early 1980's by Al Parker. Parker worked for Hughes in their model shop and also produced patterns and models to the aircraft industry. He was also involved with a company called Marketing Aids (out of business) that manufactured factory models for the aviation industry. I think there was a book back in the 1980s called Soviet Warplanes. They had some artist concepts of what the next generation of Soviet aircraft would look like. These models seem similar to what was in that book if I recall correctly.
 

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All from http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,275
 

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Looks quite like the Flight drawing to me.
 

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My dear Paul,


I think that,I saw a drawing to early MiG-29 Model,90 % looks like this one,but where ?,
book or magazine ?.
 

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Hi,


here is a Super-MiG fighter Model and Drawing,I never know they made a Model for it.


FR 3/1964
 

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Aurora also made a very similar kit to the Lindberg kit.
 

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Aritst's concepts of Sukhoi scissorwing fighter concept known as MFP or Su-41. Is this an imagined Russian Federation or Soviet Union aircraft concept?

Source:
http://www.paralay.com/mfp.html
http://m.kaskus.co.id/post/51a5e8831cd7195727000010
http://www.turbosquid.com/3d-models/sukhoi-su-41-obj/396636
 

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That´s a great concept aircraft,thanks a lot for sharing.


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It's an interesting shape, but I doubt it's a serious proposal. There would be mechanical complexity and weight issues to consider, not to mention that the fore wings would interfere with the efficiency of the hind wings. On the other hand, it does seem to be one way to keep the center of pressure's location under precise control.
 

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Hi,


here is a hypothetical drawing to Soviet Ram-L and Tupolev Tu-22M.


Flygvapennytt 4-1971 & 2-1980
 

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That RAM-L that I designed sure got around.


//sorry
 

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It looks like the front and rear wings share a pivot point. Can you imagine the weight of those things? You're going to head way into a diminishing returns curve.
 
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