The USN did the same experiments in the 1990s and came to the conclusion that boomers just need to sit slightly deeper in the open ocean, lower than 200-300 meters, and the PLAN has actual oceanic depths available to avoid sea searching lasers anyway so I don't think they're too worried. Hainan isn't deep immediately around it but it gets deeper.
The 1990s experiments are essentially as relevant now, as 1910s monoplane to 1940s jet fighter.

I think they were just bad at building subs and had a lot of industrial investment in concrete and steel so silos and big tunnels won.
I can't help but note that your position is always "they do things different, then THEY MUST BE MISTAKEN".
 
Sigh. China have about 400 silos deployed at three bases. How exactly you are planning to destroy 400 targets in one swoop, using only 10-15 bombers? Notto mention a freaking 5000 kilometers of tunnels they use to store & move TEL's! You have just one strike with less than 20 bombers for that.
In my opinion, it would be a useless waste of resources to try to destroy weapons that are very expensive to manufacture and maintain and that no leader will ever dare to shoot because they are only insurance to continue in power.

In a trade war, the most advantageous option is to force the adversary to build more and more weapons, preferably the type that consume more resources and research means because they are experimental technologies.
 
In my opinion, it would be a useless waste of resources to try to destroy weapons that are very expensive to manufacture and maintain and that no leader will ever dare to shoot because they are only insurance to continue in power.
To be exact, such attack would be one of the few scenarios, where the leader in question would shoot them - since it would be "use it or lose it" scenario.
 
They don't but sure. The U.S. would probably be reduced to a regional power, at worst, but that's hardly "crippled". The PRC would not exist.
Its quite debatable, you know. China at least have workable civil defense & population is far more disciplined than American.

A far more sensible use is B-2s loaded with Small Diameter Bombs hit the silos directly or their LCCs are knocked out by Paveways.
SDB likely don't have penetration power to reliably punch through silo hatch.


You only need to destroy the launch centers. Alternatively, you could hit command posts and air defense radars and follow with Tridents.
Please. Chinese ICBM's aren't you ancient Minuteman. You can't knock them out by attacking a few command bunkers. There are a lot of redundancy in the system.

B-2 can carry 80 500 lbs JDAMs, and probably a similar number of GBU-39s with a proper rack, even if people were talking about 200+ weapons based on the dimensions alone. You'd only need like six or seven bombers and the U.S. recently got done with a strike using about that many.
Are you kidding? Or you really think that operation against Iran - preceeded by ten days of Israel bombing, that degraded the Iranian ari defense into nothing - would be relevant against peer opponent?




Aside from the TELs being relatively small in number you can just blow up the entrances as they come out. It worked out for Israel.
Blow with what? You have at most 15 B-2 bombers, most of which would likely not even reach the targets, since Chinese have stealth aircraft of their own & certainly already took measures to make their most important assets stealth-proof.
B-2 can carry 80 500 lbs JDAMs, and probably a similar number of GBU-39s with a proper rack, even if people were talking about 200+ weapons based on the dimensions alone. You'd only need like six or seven bombers and the U.S. recently got done with a strike using about that many.
And now add a small detail; a Chinese air defenses sitting right next to ICBM field. Which would knock down many glide bombs during their approach run. And if bombers try to get close, they would lost their stealth capability & got immediately destroyed.
 
To be exact, such attack would be one of the few scenarios, where the leader in question would shoot them - since it would be "use it or lose it" scenario.
There are few scenarios in which a leader prefers annihilation to reforms and exile.
 
Another thought that came to mind, my apologies for replying twice: while China is clearly building a robust amphibious force, I find it unlikely they are looking just at Taiwan. For all the “pivot to the pacific” talk, it is impossible to ignore the role of the US navy as a global fighting force and that is what China seeks to emulate and/or surpass. They need ships for more than a Taiwan fight for that
An amphibious force whose arrival the adversary has been waiting for fifty years would have very little chance of success against the latest generation of anti-ship weapons. In my opinion it could only survive under overwhelming local air superiority, which could only occur if the United States were embroiled in a serious war on the other side of the world or embroiled in serious internal problems.

Even in that case, the price to pay for the show of force would be excessive, remember the price Hitler paid for Crete and the immense technical means used in Normandy to transport five divisions across the channel against defenders practically defeated by bombing and losses in the East.
 
An amphibious force whose arrival the adversary has been waiting for fifty years would have very little chance of success against the latest generation of anti-ship weapons. In my opinion it could only survive under overwhelming local air superiority, which could only occur if the United States were embroiled in a serious war on the other side of the world or embroiled in serious internal problems.
If the invaded area is relatively small & could be attacked from several directions at once - which is why China is building LHD's, capable of landing invasion force on Taiwan from the east - the situation would change significantly.
 
I’d love to see the maritime militia counter a Harpoon

Also this guy does nothing but think outside the box, I’ve seen his Shipbucket
Why does the maritime militia need to counter a harpoon? Who is launching these harpoons at the militia vessels?
 
The PLARF doesn't have the arsenal for this and it's a very real threat to them regardless. One of the most persistently annoying things about stealth bombers which can trek intercontinental distances is they can completely decapitate a land based element of a triad. It's enough to consider the land based missile force obsolete...

Sure is a good thing for the USAF that the PLAAF doesn't have its own B-2s!



With what weapons?

Jins are routinely tracked by 688is and 774s in the Pacific. They're extremely loud and they would be killed if they tried to launch. The PLAAF has no intercontinental weapons, just some crusty old Tu-16s which are only a threat to Australia or India, and nothing that can hit America from China. The PLARF's entire strategic nuclear arsenal is a few hundred silos and a few dozen DF-41 TELs in Xinjiang, Manchuria and Inner Mongolia. Easy to neutralize for the B-2s in sufficient number to be destroyed by the USSF on orbit.

They should have invested in quieter subs and better bombers instead of silos & TELs, and maybe they will next decade, but not right now.



They'll be too busy doing more important things. The PLAN doesn't really train to operate outside the SCS with their subs anyway.



I'm approaching this from "what they are doing" lol.

The general Chinese strategy is to turn the South and East China Seas into a really big Soviet-style bastion protected by PLAAF, PLANAF, and PLANSF forces. Diesels are coastal boats and the bulk of the theater is basically a coastal sea, with the exception being the South China Sea up to about Hainan and Guangdong, while the USN will be simultaneously imposing a blockade and trying to move into the A2AD zone to destroy the PLAN's amphibious forces.

Definitionally, if the PLAN can access the deep ocean beyond the First Island Chain, they have won. That's their entire strategic goal.



They can hit Guam but that's already a given considering the IRBMs in Yunnan and Hunan though. Some Kh-55s won't add much.
If you’re basing this off of what they are doing, then an invasion of Taiwan discussion is pointless since they are not invading Taiwan.
 
An amphibious force whose arrival the adversary has been waiting for fifty years would have very little chance of success against the latest generation of anti-ship weapons. In my opinion it could only survive under overwhelming local air superiority, which could only occur if the United States were embroiled in a serious war on the other side of the world or embroiled in serious internal problems.

Even in that case, the price to pay for the show of force would be excessive, remember the price Hitler paid for Crete and the immense technical means used in Normandy to transport five divisions across the channel against defenders practically defeated by bombing and losses in the East.
How does local air superiority over Taiwan require the US be involved in a war elsewhere?
There’s no reason to believe this administration will actually back Taiwan up militarily in a war beyond sending weapons of Taiwan survives long enough to receive them.
 
If the invaded area is relatively small & could be attacked from several directions at once - which is why China is building LHD's, capable of landing invasion force on Taiwan from the east - the situation would change significantly.
I maybe mistaken but off the top of my head there aren’t really any good landing zones on the east side of the island…
 
An amphibious force whose arrival the adversary has been waiting for fifty years would have very little chance of success against the latest generation of anti-ship weapons. In my opinion it could only survive under overwhelming local air superiority, which could only occur if the United States were embroiled in a serious war on the other side of the world or embroiled in serious internal problems.

Even in that case, the price to pay for the show of force would be excessive, remember the price Hitler paid for Crete and the immense technical means used in Normandy to transport five divisions across the channel against defenders practically defeated by bombing and losses in the East.
How were the defenders of Normandy ‘defeated in the east’?

It’s not the 1940s any more, not only do we have aircraft that can carry many more paratroopers now, but we have dedicated amphibs that can deliver troops behind the beaches via helicopter, helicopters that can then provide some CAS. Before anyone attempts to hit the beaches.

That’s not included precision weapons that can hit specific targets like bunkers, or other firing positions…

ROC’s best bet at spoiling the invasion is good intelligence giving them a few days heads up, and a decisive deployment of their fast minelayers to cripple the invasion fleet as they cross the straight.
 
I maybe mistaken but off the top of my head there aren’t really any good landing zones on the east side of the island…
Probably not much, but on the other hand - those areas are far worse defended. So even the relatively small force could create a lot of problems. Especially if it would be robotic-heavy force, designed mainly to cause damage & distraction.
 
If you’re basing this off of what they are doing, then an invasion of Taiwan discussion is pointless since they are not invading Taiwan.

They're not quite there yet but it's clearly what they're building capability towards.

They only have about half of the carriers they think they need and three quarters of the LHDs.
 
As soon as you would start striking Chinese nuclear silos with atomics, you should better expect most of US cities switched out of existence. The fallout from the massed strikes against ICBM silo fields (and Chinese have a lot of them - more than deployed missiles, obviously) would have such severe consequences, that China would immediately retaliate against US population centers. The US would likely do the same, and both nations would be crippled completely.
I doubt that China would go straight to attacking cities. Bases and silos, sure.



There are about 19 long-range stealth bombers in USAF inventory. Likely not all of them are available. Its not even remotely enough to knock down all Chinese silos (considerig how many decoys they have) or tunnel-based mobile launchers. And as soon as first nuclear attack by B-2 came, China would be in "use or lose" scenario. So they would retaliate immediately with massive strikes against US home territory.
For argument's sake, let's assume that 12x B-2s are available. (~67% availability). 16x B61 nukes per bird. 192 total weapons.



I'm not so sure this is such an advantage anymore. Remember the Ukrainian strike on Russian airbases? Nothing says that can't happen to the US as well, despite defenses
You're assuming that US bases don't have drone jammers installed.



Sigh. China have about 400 silos deployed at three bases. How exactly you are planning to destroy 400 targets in one swoop, using only 10-15 bombers? Notto mention a freaking 5000 kilometers of tunnels they use to store & move TEL's! You have just one strike with less than 20 bombers for that.
192 nukes. Or we start dropping BLU110 (1000lb bunker busters) JDAMs. 80 per bird, directly on the silo door.



The 1990s experiments are essentially as relevant now, as 1910s monoplane to 1940s jet fighter.
The penetration depth of frequencies of light in seawater has not changed.



Was the blockade of Cuba an act of war against the USSR?
Yes.
 
I doubt that China would go straight to attacking cities. Bases and silos, sure.
Which would kill several times more Americans than direct attacks against cities, due to attacks against silos being ground blasts.

For argument's sake, let's assume that 12x B-2s are available. (~67% availability). 16x B61 nukes per bird. 192 total weapons.
Which can't be dropped in salvo - the first detonation would spoil the targeting for the rest. And multiple passes would clearly be out of question.

192 nukes. Or we start dropping BLU110 (1000lb bunker busters) JDAMs. 80 per bird, directly on the silo door.
How many attack passes it would require? And how long bomber would survive in airspace near silo field?

The penetration depth of frequencies of light in seawater has not changed.
But the signal procession improved greatly.
 
Which would kill several times more Americans than direct attacks against cities, due to attacks against silos being ground blasts.
Fair point.


Which can't be dropped in salvo - the first detonation would spoil the targeting for the rest. And multiple passes would clearly be out of question.
Sure they can, you spread the drops across targets spread far enough apart that any given detonation would be long enough ago to not interfere with the next closest silo attacks. Gotta love guided/glide bombs!

Let's see if I can describe this adequately, or if I'm going to have to draw and then take a picture.

Targets are arranged in a rough line, there's some offset between them to make life annoying for attackers but there is a flight path that puts everything within crossrange of a B61-12 or -13. Plane is flying from A-R.

Targets:
A-B-C-D-E-F-G-H-J-K-L-M-N-P-Q-R

Bomb 1 hits Target A, Bomb 2 hits target J, Bomb 3 hits target B, Bomb 4 hits target K, Bomb 5 hits target C, Bomb 6 hits Target L, Bomb 7 hits Target D, Bomb 8 hits Target M, Bomb 9 hits Target E, Bomb 10 hits Target N, Bomb 11 hits Target F, Bomb 12 hits Target P, Bomb 13 hits Target G, Bomb 14 hits Target Q, Bomb 15 hits target H, Bomb 16 hits Target R.

Is that making sense?


US missile fields, the silos are miles apart. Well outside fratricide range. I'd expect that even if the Chinese are doing decoy silos, any given cluster is outside fratricide range from another cluster.


How many attack passes it would require? And how long bomber would survive in airspace near silo field?
One pass per plane.

Bombers only need to survive long enough to empty the bays, and I'm assuming that the B-2s would be nigh-undetectable until they do the first drop. If the silos are in fact close enough that attacker-fratricide is a concern, the B-2s would be able to empty their bays in less than 2 minutes.



But the signal procession improved greatly.
Doesn't matter if the laser doesn't get to the boat in the first place, or if the laser doesn't get back to the surface of the water after contacting a sub.
 
They're not quite there yet but it's clearly what they're building capability towards.

They only have about half of the carriers they think they need and three quarters of the LHDs.
Or maybe they’re building towards invading some one else? Or maybe they’re building to rush reinforcements to the artificial islands they’re occupying.
 
Or maybe they’re building towards invading some one else? Or maybe they’re building to rush reinforcements to the artificial islands they’re occupying.

I suppose they could be building to invade Japan or Australia. People thought the USSR could invade Iceland in the 1980s after all.

Doesn't matter if the laser doesn't get to the boat in the first place, or if the laser doesn't get back to the surface of the water after contacting a sub.

In fact, it mostly matters for looking up. You can get a lot of data from a single photon.

Barreleye fish hunt this way. It's very effective.
 
I doubt that China would go straight to attacking cities. Bases and silos, sure.




For argument's sake, let's assume that 12x B-2s are available. (~67% availability). 16x B61 nukes per bird. 192 total weapons.




You're assuming that US bases don't have drone jammers installed.




192 nukes. Or we start dropping BLU110 (1000lb bunker busters) JDAMs. 80 per bird, directly on the silo door.




The penetration depth of frequencies of light in seawater has not changed.




Yes.
I think the same too, but I think it would have been preferable if the Kennedy brothers had not read the book "The Guns of August" and sent the Marines to expel the Soviet technicians from the island. Cubans have suffered the consequences for far too long.
 
How were the defenders of Normandy ‘defeated in the east’?

It’s not the 1940s any more, not only do we have aircraft that can carry many more paratroopers now, but we have dedicated amphibs that can deliver troops behind the beaches via helicopter, helicopters that can then provide some CAS. Before anyone attempts to hit the beaches.

That’s not included precision weapons that can hit specific targets like bunkers, or other firing positions…

ROC’s best bet at spoiling the invasion is good intelligence giving them a few days heads up, and a decisive deployment of their fast minelayers to cripple the invasion fleet as they cross the straight.
A significant part of the defenders of Normandy were Russian mercenaries, the weakness of the defenses was caused by the huge losses inflicted on the Germans by the Red Army in the east.

Are you seriously talking about paratroopers being transported by slow cargo planes and large helicopters?

That would mean total air dominance of airspace that could only have been obtained after a major air battle and a massive bombing campaign to destroy all anti-aircraft defenses and completely deplete the stocks of Stinger missiles.

Or a prior unconditional surrender obtained through nuclear or bacteriological blackmail, or a United States mired in civil war or governed by Woody Allen.:)
 
How does local air superiority over Taiwan require the US be involved in a war elsewhere?
There’s no reason to believe this administration will actually back Taiwan up militarily in a war beyond sending weapons of Taiwan survives long enough to receive them.
That is the same thing that Saddam thought before invading Kuwait, but since Hitler annexed Czechoslovakia there is an unwritten rule that consists of stopping the aggressor's, to prevent him from daring to continue invading other countries. This history lesson is very much alive in the consciousness of all Western leaders. The world cannot afford to happen again.:(
 
That is the same thing that Saddam thought before invading Kuwait, but since Hitler annexed Czechoslovakia there is an unwritten rule that consists of stopping the aggressor's, to prevent him from daring to continue invading other countries. This history lesson is very much alive in the consciousness of all Western leaders. The world cannot afford to happen again.:(
Does “the West” include the United States?
 
A significant part of the defenders of Normandy were Russian mercenaries, the weakness of the defenses was caused by the huge losses inflicted on the Germans by the Red Army in the east.

Are you seriously talking about paratroopers being transported by slow cargo planes and large helicopters?

That would mean total air dominance of airspace that could only have been obtained after a major air battle and a massive bombing campaign to destroy all anti-aircraft defenses and completely deplete the stocks of Stinger missiles.

Or a prior unconditional surrender obtained through nuclear or bacteriological blackmail, or a United States mired in civil war or governed by Woody Allen.:)
Again, how were these Russian mercenaries defeated in the east if they were manning defenses in the west?

I mean sure I guess you can start trying to send troops in before having total or near total air superiority, but we’ve already seen how much of a disaster that is when you launch an over ground invasion, so it would likely be even more disastrous trying to do an amphibious invasion.
 
That is the same thing that Saddam thought before invading Kuwait, but since Hitler annexed Czechoslovakia there is an unwritten rule that consists of stopping the aggressor's, to prevent him from daring to continue invading other countries. This history lesson is very much alive in the consciousness of all Western leaders. The world cannot afford to happen again.:(
Really? Guess the last 4 US administrations haven’t been told about this rule considering all have overseen sending aid to Ukraine, without even contemplating sending troops to fight.
Heck none of the last 4 administrations would even agree to send troops to do air defense deep in the rear near Lviv.
 
They should have invested in quieter subs and better bombers instead of silos & TELs, and maybe they will next decade, but not right now.
You either are extremely ignorant about Chinese submarines or didn't bother to do research, they are absolutely investing in the modern submarines. The 095s should be under construction right now with initial pressure vessel segments spotted in 2022, some RUMINT suggests two are under construction, these should be no worse than the latest American/Russian SSNs/SSGNs. The 095 also seems to be roughly Seawolf sized rather than Virginia sized with a beam of ~12m and uses a single hulled design. 096s should be under development and might see the first hull launched late this decade. 093Bs exists and from what I heard should be no worse if not a bit better than 688is and they are launching 3 of these per year and that's not even full capacity of the yard which is expected to be achieved once 095's design is finalized.

Also, what is this BS about literally flying bombers over Chinese mainland? It's effectively a pipe dream, they'll likely have the biggest 5th generation force by the end of the decade and one of the most heavily defended airspaces with actual modern radars. There is nearly no way USN or even the USAF achieving air superiority over or even around the mainland.
 
Really? Guess the last 4 US administrations haven’t been told about this rule considering all have overseen sending aid to Ukraine, without even contemplating sending troops to fight.
Heck none of the last 4 administrations would even agree to send troops to do air defense deep in the rear near Lviv.
I am also concerned about that, possibly some leaders think that the case of Ukraine should be considered a civil war rather than an invasion of a neighboring country.
 
I am also concerned about that, possibly some leaders think that the case of Ukraine should be considered a civil war rather than an invasion of a neighboring country.
I’ve never heard any one say that yet. Wouldn’t be surprised though.

But anyway, as I said. There’s nothing indicating this administration or any future administration would be willing to get involved to defend Taiwan directly
 
You either are extremely ignorant about Chinese submarines or didn't bother to do research, they are absolutely investing in the modern submarines.

I'm sure they'll be ready in 2027.

093Bs exists and from what I heard should be no worse if not a bit better than 688is and they are launching 3 of these per year and that's not even full capacity of the yard which is expected to be achieved once 095's design is finalized.

They have about six or seven 093Bs, which are comparable to the worst boats the USN has, so not bad. The crews aren't great though.

The other six or so aren't really worth much since they'll be killed immediately by U.S. subs or helicopters. They're just a bit too loud.

It would be worrying if they had a dozen 093Bs and a dozen 095s. Thankfully, they don't.

Also, what is this BS about literally flying bombers over Chinese mainland? It's effectively a pipe dream, they'll likely have the biggest 5th generation force by the end of the decade and one of the most heavily defended airspaces with actual modern radars. There is nearly no way USN or even the USAF achieving air superiority over or even around the mainland.

The cool thing about stealth bombers is you don't really need air superiority to hit strategic targets because there's no practical defense. 5th generation aircraft aren't any better at detecting stealth bombers than 4th generation aircraft. They're just better at surviving against other 5th gens hunting for aviation.
 
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I'm sure they'll be ready in 2027.



They have about six or seven 093Bs, which are comparable to the worst boats the USN has, so not bad. The crews aren't great though.

The other six or so aren't really worth much since they'll be killed immediately by U.S. subs or helicopters. They're just a bit too loud.

It would be worrying if they had a dozen 093Bs and a dozen 095s. Thankfully, they don't.



The cool thing about stealth bombers is you don't really need air superiority to hit strategic targets because there's no practical defense. 5th generation aircraft aren't any better at detecting stealth bombers than 4th generation aircraft. They're just better at surviving against other 5th gens hunting for aviation.
They’ll be ready before the constitution is I bet.
 
I can't help but note that your position is always "they do things different, then THEY MUST BE MISTAKEN".
The confidence in Kat's statements is probably calibrated a little too high, but there are vulnerabilities that the PLAAF and PLARF and their political superiors must consider in the event of a long war.

Ultimately, the bleeding edge of military technology is probably in advanced submarines and very long-range stealth aircraft and advanced satellite mega constellations, and commensurate investments in those must be necessary.

China is still a developing nation, a lot of these advanced technologies will take time to mature and deploy at scale. It makes no sense to deploy these technologies at scale if they are not competitive with Western equivalents, unless you want to pull a Soviet Union and pump out mountains of crappy diesel submarines and go bankrupt in the process like an idiot. In the interim, it is extraordinarily reasonable to focus on capabilities that match up to their Western equivalents while investing heavily in development rather than production. Furthermore, there is probably no set timetable for war, but rather the CCP wishes to have the most economical and favorable correlation of forces for war at every point in time should a crisis arise, as judged by balancing cost, benefit, capability, and national requirements - if there were, they would be pulling a Soviet Union and pumping out crap en masse! You can say that they're gambling with the future of the nation by economizing, but that's just responsible spending of limited tax dollars (or RMB, as the case may be). If a crisis does arise and war does come, then yes, they will look foolish to the nationalist crowd for not arming the country to the teeth.

ICBMs are probably not a survivable second strike, but provide a reasonably low cost way of storing missiles while complicating the task of the United States Air Force. Sorties directed against the silo fields are sorties that cannot hit the tunnel networks, and vice versa. As China builds out the nuclear weapons complex, it makes sense to build the most mature systems first, as above. Chinese construction methods are advanced, they know how to pour good concrete. You're building out the vestigal, minimum-deterrence nuclear weapons complex anyway so your plutonium and bombs and interim missiles need to go somewhere, might as well plop them in silos. Can you imagine how expensive it would have been to house 1,000x DF-41 in more tunnels in Sichuan? With a silo buildout, warhead production capacity will be there when they go with the SinoTrident or SinoMidgetman or whatever comes next, and you have an investment in the future (Minuteman has lasted half a century!). This is a developmental process, different stuff is coming online at different times, and rushing the R&D is inordinately costly (look at the hundred-gigadollar chip effort) - and you can lean on the civilian sector to lift all boats. Again, China is a developing nation, and these are the implications of phased development (at least, that's how the CCP is going to justify it).

Modern weapons probably allow for significant degradation of capabilities in a single sortie, which is why the Chinese have invested in deep tunnel and silo to provide a larger strategic force. Even with a five to ten percent sortie loss rate, which would be a disaster for the USAF stealth bomber force in any protracted campaign and completely unsustainable, in this sort of Silver Bullet capability mission, use-once-only (or a nuclear mission), it's potentially workable. A la WW2, the bomber will always get through; the question is the sortie loss rate.

As the Israelis have attested, a bolt-from-the-blue conducted with the acme of operational and tactical methods can be quite devastating, to the extent of allowing ABM defenses to soak up missiles - but not completely decapitating.

And that's forgetting combined arms - the USN can provide significant cover for any such silver-bullet mission, including jamming, fighter support, suppression of air defenses etc (the recent Israeli war being the prototype). Yes, there will be attrition, yes you will lose one flattop, but if you KO a big chunk of the PLARF strategic nuclear force and change the nuclear correlation of forces Maritime Strategy style you're in business! The US has probably no qualms about suddenly massively vertically escalating to conventional counterforce, as recently demonstrated by the Israeli surprise attacks.
 
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They have about six or seven 093Bs, which are comparable to the worst boats the USN has, so not bad. The crews aren't great though.

The other six or so aren't really worth much since they'll be killed immediately by U.S. subs or helicopters. They're just a bit too loud.

It would be worrying if they had a dozen 093Bs and a dozen 095s. Thankfully, they don't.
I'm not sure where people are even getting this 2027 date from, anyways by the end of the decade they'll have 23 093Bs and probably the first 2 095s in service assuming current construction rates which they have kept up for the past 3 years. If the new 095s are launched soon(aka next 1 to 2 years which is likely), verification of the design shouldn't take that long and assuming it checks out, mass production of the type by late this decade is possible and they could even ramp up to the full ~5 boat per year capacity they have at that yard. That's 25 boats in only 5 years and in ten they could easily match or exceed USN numbers if we include legacy submarines like the aforementioned 2 dozen 093Bs. That's not counting into PLAN's AIP submarines which they are also building 2-3 per year, right now PLAN has ~26 039A/B/C and could have up to 35-40 of the type by the end of the decade depending on specific construction rate.
The cool thing about stealth bombers is you don't really need air superiority to hit strategic targets because there's no practical defense. 5th generation aircraft aren't any better at detecting stealth bombers than 4th generation aircraft. They're just better at surviving against other 5th gens hunting for aviation.
Your also assuming PLA does not have any method to detect stealthy targets which is absolutely not true.
 
because there's no practical defense
Wrong. The simplest defense is to have dense enough air defense perimeter that stealth could not sneak through it without coming close enough to radars to be detected. Look, stealth is not magical invisibility. It's merely a reduction of radar echo to the point when on given distance it would be too small to discriminate from background. But if stealth is forced to close with radar, it would eventually be detected, since echo from it would increase with distance decrease.

The whole idea of stealth aircraft is that it could sneak between radars placed on distances that guarantee the detection of usual planes. But if opponent put its radar very close to each other, there is no space for stealth to sneak between them. Of course, such approach is not economical for large areas. But for protecting something of very high value - like ICBM field - it's perfectly practical.

As far as I know, China already stated that they have multistatic radars in service. So basically they could put a big powerful transmitter directly on ICBM field, and a tight ring of sensitive receives around. Comparing signals between receivers, they could discriminate even high-stealth planes.
 
Erm, Chinese use dense pack system.
Spacing is reportedly 2-4 km, which, with superhard silos, is quite enough to prevent the enemy getting bonus kills with one nuclear warhead. Dense pack was IIRC much less than that to kill MIRVs by fratricide. It's not quite dense pack; MIRVs coming in won't kill each other.

Your also assuming PLA does not have any method to detect stealthy targets which is absolutely not true.

The problem is not the inability of the PLAAF to detect or kill the stealthy targets, but the sortie loss rate being only 5-10 percent, maybe ?20.
You're up against 20x B-2 (soon to be 132 B-21), you might kill 1-4 B-2 (maybe even 30 B-21 someday) under good conditions, heck you might kill 4 if those counterstealth weapons are really good.

You know the old saying, in conventional war, a 20% sortie loss rate is a disaster for the attacker. In nuclear war, a 20% sortie loss rate is a disaster for the defender.

=/=


Ultimately, the CCP cannot prepare for everything without spending like the Soviet Union. There are limited resources, it is best to leverage the wider civilian sector, and develop capabilities in a rational and phased manner as part of the national development effort.
 

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With SDB carriage, you have a superhard target killer that is packed 80-100 into a single jet. With 12-16 B-2s, and a loss rate of 20-30%, you have more than enough weapons to completely annihilate the silo based force of the PLARF with glide bombs and almost 2:1 ratio of weapons to targets except at the very lowest end (1/3rd loss of sortie with 12 available B-2 means 7-8 B-2 with 560-640 weapons) which is enough to make the PLARF land based force very very sad.

The orbital ABM from USSF and Fort Greely can attrit incoming warheads sufficiently to reduce losses to a couple of cities in the counter value strike, at most, or a handful of ports or silos. The Jins are not a serious threat and likely won't fire more than a couple missiles before being sunk since they're routinely tailed by USN SSNs. The 096 will be more credible, but it doesn't exist yet, and it'll still need to break out from the South China Sea to fire on CONUS. JL-4 may solve this when it's more widespread.

There's a lot of issues for the PLA to overcome before it can launch a defanging counterforce strike against the USA and a lot of advantages the US has in degrading a Chinese counterforce or countervalue strike and holding their cities hostage with its own arsenal. At the highest level of escalation of a Taiwan conflict, that is where America will win, at least for now.

A very unlikely escalation, since it's most likely both sides will avoid such strikes (if 2023 wargames hold any water) but the U.S. would win.
 
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