Agreed that the most likely next step after a blockade is an amphibious assault.
Which is why 7th Fleet and SUBPAC are keeping a close eye on what's going on. Declaring a blockade would probably very quickly result in SUBPAC declaring unrestricted submarine warfare.
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Ideally yes, but historically than hasn't always been the case, cf HMS Jervis Bay vs Admiral Scheer, and MV Ondina and HMIS Bengal vs Hokoku and Aikoku Maru. And while the operations in the Bab el Mandeb technically aren't convoy operations the Western warships there have often been acting...
I imagine this probably never got beyond the napkin stage, but very curious if anyone has more detail on this. From a 2006 USNI article by Norman Polmar; https://www.usni.org/magazines/naval-history-magazine/2006/august/atomic-fish
The thought of a Silverplate Avenger is moderately amusing.
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The saga of the Royal Navy's carriers after 1966 has been the main focus of interest here, but the workhorse of the RN then as now was the frigate.
By the 1970s the RN had plans to replace its Type 12 Leander class frigates with the larger all missile armed Type 22.
Leanders were designed...
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The Norwegian Navy seems to be circling in on a few options for their new multirole frigates to replace the Nansen class.
View: https://twitter.com/JUitdeketting/status/1814370088583086517?t=vNTJSQAK8fIzGqBC2yZnkw&s=19
In Friedman's British Cruisers book, he mentions that in the postwar fleet modernization plan (around 1947), where upgrades were being considered for existing cruisers, that "cruisers would retain their torpedo tubes wherever possible, so that they could fire the improved anti-ship torpedoes...
Perhaps the most ambitious NATO programme of the 1980s was an attempt to design a common escort ship platform for NATO navies: NATO Frigate 90.
https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/nfr-90-and-other-pre-horizon-aaw-projects.923/
The project foundered as it became too expensive and failed to...
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A few months ago, I posted a thread on a briefing with several more or less obscure frigate concepts for the USN. One of the designs included in that brief is the PXM, which I described at the time as a rabbit hole. This thread is my attempt to chase that rabbit as far as I can go, starting from...
Saw this in an article as I was looking for some information on the Reformers of the 1970s-1980s:
"Hart and Lind have long made public their dismay with America's supercarriers, which, they argue at length, are vulnerable, too expensive to deploy in the numbers needed, and carry the wrong kind...
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Just bought the 1968/9 and 1969/70 Jane's Fighting Ships and found two interesting West German naval projects which were planned for the 1970s but were different from the final vessels.
The first is for 16 missile equipped fast patrol boats. These would carry the Tartar missile system in...
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The Soviet Navy evolved anti ship missiles for its warships sooner than the West because it was faced with NATO's large surface fleets and their aircraft carriers.
The spur to Western nations seems to have been the arrival of new Soviet large surface units in the 60s and the sinking of an...
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Wiki has quite a good summary of the abortive attempt in the 1980s to design a common escort ship for NATO navies
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFR-90
The thread about the Kidds for the RN reminded me of this programme.
It ought to have been possible to design a ship flexible enough to...
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Hi. I'm looking for information on the SC-21 COEA studies, particularly the Battle Force Combatant (BFC). I did some digging around on the web, and it was supposed to replace all the Knox and Perry-class frigates, and according to an FAS page, this meant an estimated 104 of them would be built...
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Whenever I look at my little model of the USS Long Beach nuclear missile cruiser I find myself musing what a 21st Century version for Western navies could look like?
Such a ship would replace the Ticonderoga class in the US Navy and perhaps provide Task Force escorts for the RN and MN instead...
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Something that's always struck me as odd was the lack of longer range RIM-67s on these nuclear powered Frigates/Cruisers, was it simply cost cutting or was there a deeper philosophy behind their design?
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From Norman Friedman's US Naval Weapons (1983) p161-162.
Hip Pocket I was authorized on the 30th of August, and evaluated from February-June 1972
The DDG-4 Lawrence was modernised with the following:
Chapparel
Redeye
an IR Search and Track system
a CW threat warning radar (sharing the SPS-10...
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1983, rather than 1982 is a key date for decisions for the RN and UK defence as a whole, in the light of the Falklands and it's effect not just on defence thinking but on the UK populace's attitude to their country. As surely as it was to the political establishment.
But in terms of changes a...
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I know this subject has been done to death but can indulgent readers please remind me of the answers:
Why was the Royal Navy so keen on a Hermes sized carrier when the size of NA37 Buccaneer should have made it clear that only Ark Royal, Eagle and Victorious were big enough to ship
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