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Tupolev Tu-160 projects

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This is not a Tu-160 derivative (as stated in old Midland book) but one of second generation HSCT concepts using LH2.
 

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Thanks a lot flateric-san. :D
 

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flateric said:
They both were not hypersonic. '139' on the top picture (one of the times this designation was used) is a supersonic launcher platform.for '136' with R-14 based booster stage. Here's a different variant of '139'.
http://www.uhlib.ru/transport_i_aviacija/aviacija_i_kosmonavtika_2009_08/p3.php
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In the mid-nineties there was a proposal of a demilitarized commercial version of the Tu-160 called Tu-160SK that was intended as the launch platform for an expendable small launch vehicle named Burlak, see http://www.astronautix.com/b/burlak.html and http://www.testpilot.ru/russia/tupolev/160/sk/160sk.htm. A mocked up version was apparently presented at Asian Aerospace in Singapore in 1994.

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PaulMM (Overscan) said:
Moved to Tu-160 topic.

Pictures are from Vladimir Rigmant's Tu-160 book by Polygon Press. This is a really awesome book made with close cooperation with Tupolev, marred only (for non-Russian speakers) by being written in Russian. It pays particular attention to the early projects and configuration development of the Tu-160, which makes it especially interesting for this forum, and large numbers of original Tupolev OKB drawings and illustrations are presented.
Interesting concept, but did anyone notice the similarities of the Tu-170 and that alleged JH-XX/H-18 regional bomber concept ?
 

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Hi! Double delta wing+Twin vertical tail stabilizer⇒VG double delta wing+single vertical tail stabilizer⇒Double delta wing+single vertical tail stabilizer.

https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3276654&pagenumber=387&perpage=40#post421371326
 

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Hi! Long road to Tu-160
http://translate.google.fr/translate?hl=fr&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.libma.ru%2Ftransport_i_aviacija%2Faviacija_i_kosmonavtika_2005_03%2Fp4.php&sandbox=1

"In terms of these works in the end of 1952, EDB project team under the leadership of B.M.Kondorskogo (directly in the brigade to the subject have been connected: G.A.Cheremuhin, V.A.Sterlin, A.M.Galkina) engaged in studying problems the design and construction of heavy supersonic aircraft with different types of wings (triangular, diamond-shaped and swept). Study foreign experience in aircraft with a delta wing (British aircraft "Volcano," "Dzhevelin" American - "Skayrey", the XF-102, etc.] make a preliminary design of this airplane on various aerodynamic schemes -. A normal circuit with swept, diamond-shaped and triangular wing, the scheme "tailless" with trugolnym wing. considering the option of power plants on the basis of a new generation of domestic TRD (aL-7 ( "aND"), HP-5, etc.) as with afterburner, and without them . There have been worked out in detail several options of possible configurations of the aircraft (for example, the team prepared a preliminary draft of the aircraft 5301 scheme "tailless" with a delta wing under six engines AL-7, with a takeoff weight of 70,000 kg and a 300 sq m wing area). by the summer of 1954 , these preliminary work OKB progressed far enough elaborations materials submitted to the MAP, and Tupolev got a particular job intercontinental supersonic aircraft carrier."
 

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Tu-160 model.
http://oao-tupolev.livejournal.com/50351.html

http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=26.0;attach=111140;image
 

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Perhaps this model shows Tu-160 early one plan with vertical paired engines. Engine air intakes located below the LERX.

http://oao-tupolev.livejournal.com/50351.html

Bottom model picture is taken from Triton-san's contribution.
http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=26.0;attach=90544;image
 

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Just received a copy of Vladimir Rigmant's Tu-160 book by Polygon Press that I found on Ebay. Book and shipping was $100 but very well worth the price. As Paul mentions above there is a lot of early design documentation and even some nice 3-view cutaways of the B-1. The same seller has another book on the Tu22, may need to break the bank open again for that.
 

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Moved to Tu-160 topic.

Pictures are from Vladimir Rigmant's Tu-160 book by Polygon Press. This is a really awesome book made with close cooperation with Tupolev, marred only (for non-Russian speakers) by being written in Russian. It pays particular attention to the early projects and configuration development of the Tu-160, which makes it especially interesting for this forum, and large numbers of original Tupolev OKB drawings and illustrations are presented.
For those of us lacking Russian language skills, is anybody able to post a summary of the Tu-170 story? This looks like a low RCS successor to the Tu-22M?
 

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Moved to Tu-160 topic.

Pictures are from Vladimir Rigmant's Tu-160 book by Polygon Press. This is a really awesome book made with close cooperation with Tupolev, marred only (for non-Russian speakers) by being written in Russian. It pays particular attention to the early projects and configuration development of the Tu-160, which makes it especially interesting for this forum, and large numbers of original Tupolev OKB drawings and illustrations are presented.
For those of us lacking Russian language skills, is anybody able to post a summary of the Tu-170 story? This looks like a low RCS successor to the Tu-22M?
In 1994 Tupolev was tasked with looking at new strategic bomber designs. Three designs were put forward, two twin engined supersonic, Tu-170 (D. G. Demenko; weight 145 t) and Tu-180 (V.I.Bliznyuk, variable geometry) capable of carrying 6 new generation cruise missiles or 15t bomb load.. The third design was a subsonic four engined design, the Tu-190
(B.I. Gribanov, V.A. Maksimov) weighing 190t and capable of carrying up to 12 missiles or up to 30 tons of bomb load.

Tu-190 was regarded as the most promising design, but funding was not available to proceed with any of them.
 
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