Even with my doubts about the practicality of tracked vehicles on the moon, what's the stock number on Renwal's 1/72 scale model kit of these with full interior detail????
Regolith would grind away at tracks and links quite effectively. but since the vehicles presumably wouldn't have to worry about land mines and the like, perhaps those bits could be made out of abrasion-resistant ceramic.
Yes, that's precisely what I was thinking.
the easy way would be dill tunnels and domes into Mount Piton (a lava tube also ideal for this)
allot questions:
Idk, in all the illustrations, they have this enormous checker marks to help with visibility, so perhaps I can call back to that?
US launch sites would be the Johnston Atoll, UK would be the Kenyan Coast, USSR would be tyuratam.
Did the V2 or any of its planned derivatives have anything like this? Or perhaps some post-war missiles would be of better stock to look at?
Forget Johnston Atoll to far away from USA, and to Small for such large operation.
on use of Methalox or Kerolox (soviets)
I agree that the American operation could be moved, however I'm not sure if in-situ propellant manufacture was know in the 40s and 50s? But if so, it would likely be Methalox
They were aware of the basic chemistry. What they weren't aware of was what the moon was made of. We know it to be made of a lot of oxygen and aluminum, useful propellants; very little hydrogen and carbon. But in this alternate universe with a barely livable Mars, dinosaurs on Venus, lava-falls on Jupiter, perhaps the moon has useful stores of carbon and water under the surface.
Well I have a copy of the BIS’ High Road to the Moon, which contains many of RA Smith’s paintings, two of which depict astronauts mining for oxygen and water ice, in the various shadowy places and crevices of a much more mountainous moon.
An ocean would be difficult to justify, but a *frozen* ocean could be workable. One could, presumably, also posit the existence of subsurface "icebergs" left by impact. In reality, any impactor is likely to be blown not to bits but to vapor, but with the assumption of 19th century scientifiction, perhaps such impactors just bury themselves under the craters they make. Which could lead to story possibilities... each crater has a different nugget underneath. This one water, that one iron, that one carbon, with mining operations on various ones with an economy forming based on trade between facilities. And with theft/piracy and such, fighting over more valuable mines.
Simple Solar oven on Moon day time, heat lunar rock, it will gas out mostly oxygen.
Yes that could definitely work, perhaps hinted at in journal entries, saying that water ice was discovered in cave to the north? Also didn’t tintin have ice on the moon?
I see, so perhaps in the, or near to the space port complex there could be a fuel refining or fuel depot?
There was Goodyear proposal
ui.adsabs.harvard.edu
Shevchenko has some interesting theories about cometary water on the Moon.
Imprints of cometary collisions observed on the moon and their age
Photometric analysis of the diffuse structure of Reiner-gamma on the lunar surface from images obtained with the Zond-6 space vehicle, as well as additional remote-sensing data have shown that the reflecting layer of this formation has anomalous features. It is argued that an extraordinary...
A fair point, I'll have to take that into due consideration, I think some traces of long-dead selenite civilisation might suffice. It might provide a nice explanation as to why they only live underground.
A few thoughts come from this, and those thoughts are based on what we learned in this reality in 1969 and 70 so, their usefulness could potentially be somewhat less than comprehensive.
it was serious studied, Krafft Arnold Ehricke proposed this for landing very heavy cargo on moon.
There Alternative theory about Lunar water based on seismological data from Apollo
www.brown.edu
Yes, if you want large cargo transported to Moon, it need allot fuel or more powerful engines using nuclear power
I'd imagine it would slide for about perhaps 100-200 meters or so, given that lunar orbit speeds aren't that great.
Well, looks like Wells wasn't that far off after all!There Alternative theory about Lunar water based on seismological data from Apollo
it suggest that interior of Moon is quite wet, around 50 km under surface.
Clarke wrote about this in Earthlight in 1951/55, decades before Apollo landing and theory of lunar water !Scientists spy new evidence of water in the Moon’s interior
Using satellite data, Brown researchers have for the first time detected widespread water within ancient explosive volcanic deposits on the Moon, suggesting that its interior contains substantial amounts of indigenous water.
What are those on the walls, I say?
Fossils. Been a quarter century since I read that manga, but I seem to recall that this was a broken-apart meteorite found on the moon. So fossils on the moon, but not fossils *from* the moon. Either way, though, it'd be a hell of a thing to stumble across.
Yes. Not necessarily relevant to this threads purpose, but something that I suspect will happen once we truly get Out There will be discoveries that are tantalizing but which will never go any further, Say, we track down an "interstellar asteroid" on a hyperbolic trajectory through the system. We land a probe on it, it looks around and finds clear, unambiguous evidence of technology or life. And then the rock zips off into deep space or plunges into the sun or smacks into Mercury. Gone forever, and we'll *never* be able to figure out what the hell we just saw.
God, that would be a wake up call and a half, also would make the great beginner for a far-future story
if you want the Badie die in lunar lava
by past security system now under control of badie
When I said "the reactor core and lava tubes for bad ending", what I meant was that the group of survivors blow up the thorium reactor and seek shelter from the detonation, and radiation, going out onto the surface only to get home. Probably should have explained that
Also, thanks for the links!good help
Atomic Rocket mother load for Sci-Fi authors:
TV Tropes or why some Tropes are more dead, that a dead horse...Atomic Rockets - Atomic Rockets
www.projectrho.com
https://tvtropes.org
All kinds of fun could be had with fans, filters, airflow control shutters, turning vanes, and just for fun it happens that the airflow turbulence noise from those turning vanes is at a frequency which makes it difficult to both concentrate and communicate,
Hmmm, that could be quite an interesting method of gaining entry, I'll have a read through of the study you linked
So you're essentially looking for unpaid ghostwriters?
