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It's hard to ID my dear Avion,

and here is a Daspect monoplane drawing.

http://www.avia-it.com/act/biblioteca/periodici/PDF%20Riviste/Ala%20d'Italia/L'ALA%20D'ITALIA%201939%20012.pdf
 

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From the diminutive size, prominent cabane and ample landing gear legs, and knowing the time period, my guess would be a Farman F.451 Moustique II for the aircraft obscured by the Weymann and a bathing beauty on the left.



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By way of Luftwaffe-Research-Group, a photo with a few odd types

The center aircraft is the Weymann 230/231 discussed elsewhere on this forum. But the aircraft on the left and the right of the Weymann are stumping people.

Original ebay auction - http://www.ebay.de/itm/Foto-Frankreich-Beute-Flugzeuge-franzosische-Luftwaffe-und-deutsche-Maschinen-/361862694939?hash=item5440b2881b:g:U0EAAOSwux5YYCF1
 

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The Pescara Helicopter Model;

http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k6555017m/f23.image
 

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Hi,

here is a Renault helicopter Project of 1912,from TU issue 122.
 

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With reference to the second illustration in the foregoing post, I'm left wondering whether, rather than being a helicopter, this was a machine for performing trepanations!
 

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My dear Avion,

here is the rest of the article to can judge.
 

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In the Trait d'Union #208 (Mar-Apr 2003): "in 1934, someone named Goudant designed a flying boat with variable area wing. Two half wings (of 6.25m x 2m) disappear inside the the thick wing. 4 engines, speed near 300km/h, not built."
A more Info;

http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k6576063q/f7.image.r=Goudant%20hydravion
 

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Hi,

was it a French airplane ?,Trois Amis ?.
 

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I think not - even though there's no 'snow on its boots' in the drawing! If you take a look at http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,5786.0/nowap.html it would appear that this aeroplane is Russian. Maybe the French periodical, from which your extract emanates, translated Tri Druga as Trois Amis. Maybe if Flight had featured it, the translation would have been Three Comrades!
 

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Many thanks my dear Avion,

I thought wrong it was a French,because its name ?.
 

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..... but it might have been less dull if it had featured in the Daily Mail - which probably would have translated its name as Three Commie B#######s! After all, this aeroplane emerged only four years after it published the Zinoviev Letter.
 

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hesham said:
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from Les Ailes journal,the designer Pierre Bazoin created two aircraft projects,the
first was tourist aircraft with inverse "M" shape,and the second was a six-engined
huge transatlantic flying boat in a weird configuration.


http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k6560495x/f7.image
Some details: 110 tons, 80 m wingspan, total power 15600 CV

So that is something like 2560 hp per prop! So probably three engines each?
 

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Hi,

I think this drawing to a French twin engined biplane of WWI,can any ID it ?.

https://www.zazzle.de/doppeldecker_flugzeuge_wwi_postkarte-239011534185463156
 

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Hi,

here is a drawing to Chappedelaine CD-1 Aerogyre.
 

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Also a patent for Chappedelaine.
 

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From Ailes 1/1945,

does anyone hear about Maurice Paltz MP-19 & MP-20 light airplanes,maybe a Projects ?.
 

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The answer is completely in the article, you posted:
Maurice Paltz was an aviation engineer, who worked for Guerchais-Roche and Holste and
proposed those 2, or better one-and-a half designs, intended for amateur construction and
designed for easy building. And both designs differed in wing only, the fuselage was the same.
 

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Jemiba said:
The answer is completely in the article, you posted:
Maurice Paltz was an aviation engineer, who worked for Guerchais-Roche and Holste and
proposed those 2, or better one-and-a half designs, intended for amateur construction and
designed for easy building. And both designs differed in wing only, the fuselage was the same.
Many thanks to you my dear Jemiba.
 

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Hi,

here is Atalante airplanes,the GB.10,GB.12,GB14,GB.16 and GB.18,most of
them were remained a Projects as I know.

Decollage 7/1946
 

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It would appear that the Atalante GB-10 survived the war as it had been mentioned in Les Ailes of 14 April 1938. It was designed by G.Bertout (hence the initials GB) for the Société des Avions 'Atalante' and had been constructed by Ateliers Nicolas in Auxerre. Les Ailes reported that had been had been presented, earlier that month, at Villacoublay Aerodrome and that it had been demonstrated at St Cyr Aerodrome.
 

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Just a thought, but wouldn't this 1946 emanation of the GB-10 Atalante be better placed on the post-war aircraft projects board?
 

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This article is mainly about the GB-10, I think, a type from 1938. As I understand (please correct me, if I'm wrong !),
the other types would have been closely related to the GB-10, versions for different purposes/clients and maybe
designed in the time between 1938 and 46. So it's ok, I think, to deal with them in this section here, as long, as we
have no clear evidence otherwise.
 

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Thank you my dear Jemiba,

and from TU 134,here is some Info,but the strange thing is it was derivative fron
CFA.10 & CFA.30 ?.
 

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From Ailes 10/1945,

here is a DS.10, a low-wing light monoplane Project as I suggest,created by J. Durandeaux,
in the book; Les Avions Francais 1944-1964,he designed a light aircraft called D.510,or
maybe it was a misprint and they meant DS.10 and they saw the letter "S" as the number
"5" ?!.
 

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Curiously the TU index for issues 1 to 266 contains no mention of Durandeaux and the D.510 or DS.10 and Pierre Gaillard's book is succinct in the extreme in describing it as an amateur built light aeroplane dating from about 1945 (with no illustration). I wonder whether it was realised?
 

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avion ancien said:
Curiously the TU index for issues 1 to 266 contains no mention of Durandeaux and the D.510 or DS.10 and Pierre Gaillard's book is succinct in the extreme in describing it as an amateur built light aeroplane dating from about 1945 (with no illustration). I wonder whether it was realised?
My dear Avion,

if you meant the list or index,it's nothing,I have more than 200 issues of it and after they
published this index they discovered many companies and designers,and they put them in their
issues,according to the index; the articles : Les Constructeurs Francais must ended by issue 266,
but it still appear and reach to issue 302,although they don't finish letter "S" yet ?.
 

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From Ailes 11/1945,

here is amazing two airplanes,from M. Lafon and G. Dabat.
 

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Skyblazer said:
From Avions No. 127, a little-known prototype identified as the "Fellot Lacour" [F-PJCV], christened "L'ancêtre" (the ancestor), though the spelling is apparently unsure.
From Ailes 11/1945 and TU magazine issue 91,

here is all of Fellot-Lacour airpplanes,FL.1,FL.2,FL.3,FL.4,FL.10,FL.20 & FL.201
 

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hesham said:
From Ailes 10/1945,

here is a DS.10, a low-wing light monoplane Project as I suggest,created by J. Durandeaux,
in the book; Les Avions Francais 1944-1964,he designed a light aircraft called D.510,or
maybe it was a misprint and they meant DS.10 and they saw the letter "S" as the number
"5" ?!.
It was actually built,from Ailes 12/1945.
 

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hesham said:
It was actually built,from Ailes 12/1945.
But the text of that report [in translation] says, inter alia, that:

'..... it is the model of this aeroplane that is represented in the two photographs, that we reproduce above.'

and it goes on to talk about the engine which it is envisaged will power the D.S.10 and the tests that it will undergo. I can find nothing in the report that says or suggests that, in December 1945, a full scale DS.10 had been built or had flown. Maybe later reports will establish this. I keep an open mind.
 
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