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Italian WW2 High-altitude bomber project

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Circa late 1942 Ing. Casiraghi, chief designer of Piaggio, worked on a project fro an high-altitude pressurized long range bomber. P-130 was powered by 4 Piaggio P XII RC 100 A DB-605 located on top of the bomb bay drove the compressor. Defensive weapons were two revolving turrets Breda Z on the upper airframe and a Breda X1 in the belly. All were remote controlled. Offensive weapons were up to 10 middle weight bombs (250 KG each). Project was low priority P-133 was judged more important. Source Aerofan /65 second quarter 1998
 

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Breathtaking Sky...
Thanks.
 

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Thanks, since YOU are the authority in his kind of projects (Fugaku, etc) :D
I discovered it during my research on airline projects intended fro 1946 on by Axis powers. Lot of interesting things. Probably I'll start posting one day or another.
 

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airline projects intended fro 1946 on by Axis powers
:eek: :eek:

Please, please open this topic. I'll give you my help :)

Junkers EF100......There are some ideas on Jet Planes of the Third Reich. Volume 2
 

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Eh, eh Junkers EF-100 !!!!
Ok, I'll post what I have (BTW, Piaggio designed an almost replica of the EF-100.... curious? 8) )
 

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Hi Skybolt,

you forget your post to this topic?

Servus Maveric
 

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Yes, two years gone.. ;). But I still have something, just have to find it. And BTW, do you like the P.130 AKA "The Italain Superfortress" ? ;) ::)
 

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From one drawing the lenght was sligthly more than 34 meters. But I'm confident to take hold on an original drawing, with quotes.
 

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Why did the P-133 have the higher priority?
 

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Because it was ready for production. The P-133 was ordered (24 in total) and work was started on the first batch of 6. As I said, it was an evolution of the P-108, technologically. The P-130 was a different kind of effort (Piaggio spent little more the 500 man-hours on it). SPEAKING IN VERY RELATIVE TERMS (EMPHASYS !!!) for Italian industry it would have been the same step done by the US in going from the B-24 to the B-29 (now, if someone writes that the P-130 was the "Italian B-29" I'll simply kill him... ::) )
 

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Skybolt said:
Because it was ready for production. The P-133 was ordered (24 in total) and work was started on the first batch of 6. As I said, it was an evolution of the P-108, technologically. The P-130 was a different kind of effort (Piaggio spent little more the 500 man-hours on it). SPEAKING IN VERY RELATIVE TERMS (EMPHASYS !!!) for Italian industry it would have been the same step done by the US in going from the B-24 to the B-29 (now, if someone writes that the P-130 was the "Italian B-29" I'll simply kill him... ::) )
What more can you add about the Italian B-29?

;D :D ;)
 

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvdVxr8rMLM
 

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The Piaggio P.130.

https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/197858-progetto-tech-tree-aerei-italiani/&
 

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Hasan, your link is incomplete. It should be
https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/197858-progetto-tech-tree-aerei-italiani/&page=154
Apertura alare di 38 metri ( 7 piu del B-17 ) ...4 motori P.XII RC 100 ...piu' un DB605 solo per gli accendisigari e la pressurizzazione della cabina ..3 torrette binate per la difesa e carico da 5 tonnellate (10x500kg) ... Puntamento tedesco
Fed this to google translate ...
Wingspan of 38 meters (7 more than the B-17) ... 4 engines [Piaggio] P.XII RC 100 ... plus a DB605 only for the cigarette lighter and the pressurization of the cabin ..3 twin turrets for the defense and loading from 5 tons (10x500kg) ... German gunnery control
 

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OK my dear Arjen,

but I check from every pages at first,so I didn't keep its direct link.
 

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Arjen said:
Hasan, your link is incomplete. It should be
https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/197858-progetto-tech-tree-aerei-italiani/&page=154
Apertura alare di 38 metri ( 7 piu del B-17 ) ...4 motori P.XII RC 100 ...piu' un DB605 solo per gli accendisigari e la pressurizzazione della cabina ..3 torrette binate per la difesa e carico da 5 tonnellate (10x500kg) ... Puntamento tedesco
Fed this to google translate ...
Wingspan of 38 meters (7 more than the B-17) ... 4 engines [Piaggio] P.XII RC 100 ... plus a DB605 only for the cigarette lighter and the pressurization of the cabin ..3 twin turrets for the defense and loading from 5 tons (10x500kg) ... German gunnery control
I suspect that the DB605-driven compressor supercharged the engines as well as pressurizing the cockpit. It looks like German HZ-Anlage equipment, as used on the Hs130E and Do317. In fact, with its Germanic remote armament, the project looks rather like an entrant in the German Bomber-B competition.
 
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