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Hi! Breda Ba.27
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breda_Ba.27
"The Ba.27 was a low-wing braced monoplane with fixed tailwheel undercarriage. As originally designed, the Ba.27 had a fuselage of steel tube construction, skinned with light corrugated alloy metal, and wooden wings and tailplane. Evaluation of the two prototypes by the Regia Aeronautica in 1933 was strongly negative, resulting in an extensive redesign of the aircraft. The fuselage shape was made more rounded and the pilot's open cockpit was moved higher and forward to improve visibility. The corrugated skinning was also replaced with smooth sheet metal.
A prototype of this revised version, known as the Metallico, was first flown in June 1934, but Regia Aeronautica's appraisal was only a little more positive.
Despite the lack of domestic interest, the type was ordered by the Republic of China for use against Japan. Out of eighteen machines ordered, only eleven were actually delivered"

http://www.giemmesesto.org/Documentazione/Aerei/BredaBA27.html
 

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Hi! Breda Ba.42. Base was Ba.39. Ba.39 was a scale up version of Ba.33.

Japanese Breda Ba.33.
http://arawasi-wildeagles.blogspot.jp/2012/04/breda-ba33-j-banc.html

Ba.33 (Serie 1)Specifications
Data from Italian Civil and Military aircraft 1930-1945
General characteristics
Crew: 2
Length: 6.78 m (22 ft 3 in)
Wingspan: 9.40 m (30 ft 10 in)
Wing area: 15.00 m2 (161.5 sq ft)
Empty weight: 429 kg (946 lb)
Gross weight: 828 kg (1,826 lb)
Powerplant: × de Havilland Gipsy III 4-cyl. inverted in-line, air-cooled piston engine, 89 kW (120 hp)
Powerplant: 1 × Colombo S.63 6-cyl. air-cooled in-line piston engine,, 100 kW (140 hp) (Serie 2 and Ba.33S)
Performance

Maximum speed: 230 km/h; 124 kn (143 mph)
Cruise speed: 200 km/h; 108 kn (124 mph)
Stall speed: 85 km/h; 46 kn (53 mph)
Range: 1,802 km; 973 nmi (1,120 mi)
Service ceiling: 6,998 m (22,960 ft)
Rate of climb: 4.44 m/s (874 ft/min)
Time to altitude: 13,120 ft (3,998.98 m) in 15 minutes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breda_Ba.33

Ba.39 specifications
Data from Italian Civil and Military aircraft 1930-1945
General characteristics
Crew: 2 (3 for the Ba.39S)
Length: 7.44 m (24 ft 5 in)
Wingspan: 10.41 m (34 ft 2 in)
Height: 2.64 m (8 ft 8 in)
Wing area: 17.51 m2 (188.5 sq ft)
Empty weight: 560 kg (1,235 lb)
Gross weight: 840 kg (1,852 lb)
Max takeoff weight: 935 kg (2,062 lb)
Powerplant: 1 × Colombo S.63 6-cyl. inline piston engine, 100 kW (140 hp)
Performance
Maximum speed: 220 km/h; 119 kn (137 mph)
Range: 901 km; 487 nmi (560 mi)
Endurance: 3 hr 30min
Service ceiling: 6,005 m (19,700 ft)
Rate of climb: 3.2 m/s (630 ft/min)
Time to altitude: 13,210 ft (4,026 m) in 21 minutes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breda_Ba.39

Breda Ba.42
Single-engine low-wing Leisure monoplane produced by Italian company Società Italiana Ernesto Breda in the 1930s.
Developed in 1934 deviated from Ba. 39, essentially adopting a different motor radial air cooled Fiat a. 70(180 hp,132 kW) with NACA cowling.
She participated in the fourth international tourist aircraft destined to Challenge organized by Fédération Aéronautique Internationale (FAI), the Federation that had taken over the task of managing international sport aviation, held in Warsaw, Poland, departing from between 28 August and September 16, 1934.
http://www.wikiwand.com/it/Breda_Ba.42
 

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Ba.46 and Ba.32 are here.
http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,27230.msg281285.html#msg281285

Ba.75 is here.
http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,16973.msg287025.html#msg287025
 

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I can see two type Breda.Ba.64. Prototype and series production model?
Ba.64's vertical tail stabilizer is large compared with Ba.65's one.

http://www.airwar.ru/enc/aww2/ba64.html
http://www.cmpr.it/MN%20-%20Manuale%20Breda%20Ba.64%20-%20RT/man.ba.64.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breda_Ba.64

Ba.65 foreign service. http://www.network54.com/Forum/394728/thread/1320624396/El+Breda+Ba.65+en+el+servicio+exterior+parte+2-+The+Breda+Ba.65+in+foreign+service+part+2
 

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Hi!
Breda Ba.79. Modern shape!!

http://aviadejavu.ru/Site/Crafts/Craft26568.htm
"The Breda 79S Four-seat Light Cabin Monoplane (200 h.p. Alfa-Romeo 115 engine)."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breda_Ba.79S
http://www.gavs.it/rci.php?matricola=ABFU
 

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Hi! Breda CC.20 bomber.
http://www.airwar.ru/enc/bww1/cc20.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breda_CC.20
Beautiful artwork here.
http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,12312.msg120472.html#msg120472

CC.2000 : C.C.20 engine enhancement proposals
CC.3000 : C.C.20 engine enhancement proposals in 193x


http://keshiintokorozawa.web.fc2.com/faq08a06i.html
Or
http://www.all-aero.com/index.php/59-planes-b-c/16170-breda-cc-20-breda-cc-2000-breda-cc-3000
 

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Hi! Ba.201.
Ummm.....Where is the radiator? ;D
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breda_Ba.201
http://www.warbirdphotographs.com/vvsregiaavions/RegiaHTML/rba2011.htm
http://mab.forumfree.it/?t=69777077
Model.
http://www.mymahoganymodel.com/product.php?product=5924

Perrhaps bottom picture shows Ba.201 prototype early shape with small nose oil cooler air intake.(Which is too small for oil cooling.) ;D
 

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Ummm.....Ram air intake position, wind shield shape, vertical tail stabilizer shape, cockpit position, nose air intake shape, engine exhaust nozzle position.....
What is this aircraft????
Source of this picture : Vietnamese site!!
http://nhungdoicanh.blogspot.jp/2014/02/breda-ba-201.html
Same as this aircraft?
http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=27856.0;attach=564079;image
http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=27856.0;attach=564081;image
http://www.aereimilitari.org/forum/topic/17522-breda-ba201/

Wikipedia says that...
"After such engines as the 895 kW (1,200 hp) Fiat A.38, the 716 kW (960 hp) Isotta-Fraschini IF L.121, and the powerful 839 kW (1,125 hp) Isotta-Fraschini Zetra, were evaluated, the Daimler-Benz DB 601 engine was chosen, because it was compact, and allowed free dives thanks to its direct injection system."

Middle picture text says that...
The statue static (for advanced cockpit) of Ba.201 realized by the company in Pre-war phase around the dimensions of Issotta-Fraschini engine L.121 RC.40
Three side view drawing of this mock-up.(Forgot to add radiator?)
http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=27856.0;attach=564085;image

So the first picture also shows the mockup for early Ba.201 design?
http://alternathistory.com/andrea-kurami-i-dzhankarlo-garello-italyanskie-pikirovshchiki-chast-1-o-poyavlenii-i-razvitii-italya
Radiator of early design was located bottom of the wing root?
 

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Hi! Breda A.3 bomber.
http://all-aero.com/index.php/contactus/59-planes-b-c/15902-breda-a-3
"A 1924 biplane night bomber, one prototype was built with Warren truss.
First flown with 4 x 200 hp SPA 6A inline 6-cylinder engines, later modified with 2 x 400 hp Lorraine-Dietrich 12Db V-12 engines.
Wingspan: 23m"

http://www.airwar.ru/enc/bww1/bredaa3.html
Auto translation.
"A. 3-night bomber, designed by the Italian company Breda. A. 3 became the first military aircraft developed by the firm. Its first flight took place in the year 1924. The plane originally installed four 200-strong engine SPA, then they were replaced by two 400-strong Lorraine. Aircraft testing identified a number of gaps and mediocre performance. After this it was decided to create a more advanced aircraft, which led to the creation of A. 8. Stayed in a single instance of released."
Large images.
http://www.giemmesesto.org/Documentazione/Aerei/BredaA3.html
And Breda A.8.(Also followed by A.14) ;D
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breda_A.8
Breda A.14
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breda_A.14
 

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Hi! Breda A.7.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breda_A.7

"A.7LD prototypes - Two prototypes, powered by a 298 kW (400 hp) Lorraine-Dietrich piston engine. (2 built).
A.7 - Production version. Two-seat reconnaissance aircraft, powered by a 380 kW (510 hp) Isotta Fraschini Asso 500 piston engine, and fitted with a revised cooling system and empennage (12 built).
A.7 Raid (later A.16 or Ba.16) - Long-range version, powered by Isotta Fraschini Asso 500 AQ engine. Engine later changed to a Bristol Jupiter VII and an extra seat added."

A.7LD : small vertical tail stabilizer
A.7 production model : Larger vertical tail stabilizer compared with prototype
A.7 seaplane : more larger vertical tail stabilizer compared with A.7 production model
A.7 Riad(A.16) powered by Isotta Fraschini Asso 500 AQ engine : Vertical tail stabilizer is same as A.7 production model?
Ba.16 with Bristol Jupiter VII engine : clean shape vertical tail stabilizer
 

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Hi!
http://www.airwar.ru/enc/other1/bredaa7.html
A.7LD radiator is located nose side of the fuselage.
A.7 production model radiator is located bottom of the fuselage. Also you can see Isotta Fraschini Asso 500 engine air intake and engine exhaust nozzles at nose side of the fuselage.
Also you can see nose radiator of A.7 Raid (later A.16 or Ba.16) - Long-range version, powered by Isotta Fraschini Asso 500 AQ engine.
 

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The wreck in the photo looks way closer to a CANT Z.1018 than any Breda aircraft.
 

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The wreck in the photo looks way closer to a CANT Z.1018 than any Breda aircraft.

I does indeed. Perhaps one of the pre-series Z.1018s went with Zappata to Sesto San Giovanni to aid with development of the all-metal BZ 30x Leone family?
 

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Yes very important counter measure.
 

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Returning to Breda aircraft... I added this yesterday to my reply #14 but now it has disappeared :confused:

Lucamax's link to that LombardiaBeniCulturali gallery reveals a number images suggesting series production of the mystery aircraft. The images aren't clear enough to tell whether we're looking at wooden or metal-skinned airframes.

There is also a photo of what looks like the rudderless tail of a Z.1018 (complete with swastika).

So, what's going on? Did Breda actually build the pre-series Z.1018s? Or are we looking at production of the BZ 301 Leone III? (It can't be the BZ 303 Leone II, its drawings suggest that this pictured aircraft's cockpit opening is wrong).
 

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Apparently production work began on the BZ 301 but none were completed. These may be some of those none.
 

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