Gribovskiy aircraft

[borovik]

Special for Maveric (sorry about the long wait)((

V.K. Gribovskiy created an excellent gallery of planes and gliders. One can regret that in this creative work of his efforts were not focused on the detailed working out of standard types of training monoplane single and especially double.
In its products Gribovskiy expresses the idea of mass sports aviation ("flying people"), somewhat a naive...

V.Shavrov

Gribovskiy G-1 - glider, 1924,

Gribovskiy G-2 - record glider, 1927,
G-2 bis, 1928-1935 as a training glider built serially

Gribovskiy G-3 - four set, twin-fuselage, transport glider, 1924, only project,

Gribovskiy G-4 - single seat, light sport plane, 1926, strut-braced high-wing, 1 x 30 hp
Bristol "Cherub"

Gribovskiy G-5 - single seat, light sport plane-aviette, 1928, "Blackburn" 18 ABC capacity of 18
hp

 

[borovik]

Gribovskiy G-6 – single seat, high-wing glider, 1928,

Gribovskiy G-7 - single seat, midwing monoplane, sailplane-soaring, 1928, a record duration of the flight
(no landing) 10 h 22 min.

Gribovskiy G-8 - single seat, light sport plane, 1931, Engine "Walter" 60 hp

Gribovskiy G-9 - single seat, strut-braced high wing monoplane, training glider, 1931,

Gribovskiy G-10 - single seat, high-wing light sport plane, 1933, engine M-23 x 65h.p.

 

[borovik]

Gribovskiy G-11 - six set (2+4), twin-fuselage, transport glider, 1932, only project,

Gribovskiy G-12 – single seat, sea-glider (water-based), 1933,

Gribovskiy G-13 - single seat, light training sailplane-soaring, 1933, (on base G-9)
G-13 bis - 1934 (Distinguished by an increased wingspan. Because of the introduced
additional reinforcements. Empty glider has increased from 86 to 112 kg.)

Gribovskiy “Guttersnipe/Gamin” - «Беспризорник»- single seat, glider, 1933, (collectively,
was built on the initiative and outline sketch Gribovskiy)

Gribovskiy G-14 - two seat, training glider, 1934,
G-14 TsL-2A / G-14 "flying tank" (G-14 CL-2A). 1935
G-14 Ts "chainlet" / G-14 Ts "chain" ,Developing the idea of high-altitude towing,
engineer Shcherbakov suggested use the method of "chain", when one after
another hauled several gliders, where each subsequent flies higher than the
previous. To improve this method used two Shcherbakov airframe Gribovsky - G-14 and G-9. (Tug TB-1 was flying at an altitude of 5000 m, T-14 at
6000m, and closing G-9 at 7000 m. The maximum height reached in
the “chain "- 12105m), 1936-37
G-14 GK (with pressure cabin by Shcherbakov) "high-altitude"1936,
G-14 MP – single seat, powered glider, project, 1936
G-14 RP – single seat, rocket powered glider project, (liquid rocket engine RDA-1-150
designs L.S. Dushkin and V.A. Shtokolov), 1936.

 

[borovik]

Gribovskiy G-15 – two seat (side-by-side), touring, sport plane, 1934, engine M-11 x 110h.p.
Gribovskiy G-16 – single seat, sea-glider (water-based), 1934,
Gribovskiy G-17 – single seat, record sailplane-soaring, 1934-35,
Gribovskiy “Canard” – three seater project given the competition a "safe plane", 1934-36
“Canard”/1 with straight wing
“Canard”/2 with swept wing, only project.
Gribovskiy G-18 – two seater, piloting glider with dual control, 1935

 

[borovik]

Gribovskiy G-19 – single seat, record sailplane-soaring, 1935,
Gribovskiy G-20 – two seat, low-wing strut-braced trainer, with enclosed tandem cockpit,
engine M-11, 1935,
G-20 bis – two seat, low-wing strut-braced trainer, with open cockpit, engine M-11F
x 150hp, 1937
Gribovskiy G-21 – three seater, low-wing sporting and courier aircraft, engine M-11, 1936-37,
Gribovskiy G-22 – single seat, light sport plane-aviette, engine Walter Mikron (afterward M-16 x
65hp) (The plane presentable the contest low-powered aviette in 1936)
Gribovskiy G-23 “Komsomolets-2” / "Комсомолец-2". – two seat, low-wing aircraft with car-
derived engine GAZ-M-1 x 57hp, 1936
G-23 bis (slightly increased, engine M-11E x 150hp.) 1938

 

[borovik]

Gribovskiy G-24 – single seat, light sport plane, car engine GAZ-11 x 85hp, 1937, project.
(Smaller, single version of the F-23)
Gribovskiy G-25 – two seat, training biplane, car engine GAZ-11 x 85hp, 1937-38,

Gribovskiy G-26 – single seat, light sport plane, engine MG-40 x 150hp, 1938.
(Intended for the upcoming high-speed flight sports aircraft, scheduled for 1939)
Gribovskiy G-27 – three seat, training, /so-called “transitional” to the bomber (designed as
training for crew bombers SB and DB-3. ) Two engine M-11, 1938.
Competitors: KAI-1/UPB; Yakovlev UT-3
G-27M – three seat, training, floatplane version, not built.
Gribovskiy G-28 “Gerfalkon” / "Кречет"
TI-28 Trenirovachniy Istrebitel (VVS designation)- single seat, training fighter,/ so-
called ‘transitional’ to fighter /, engine MV-6 x 220hp, arm., 1 x ShKAS, 1940

 

[borovik]

Gribovskiy “Berkut” “war-eagle”/ "Беркут" – two engined, training aircraft, 1941.
(Since the beginning of the war and the subsequent evacuation, documentation,
and layout "Berkut" destroyed.)
Gribovskiy G-29
G-11 - (VVS designation) /The number of transported paratroopers /
- 1 + 11 seater, assault-transport glider, 1941
Gribovskiy G-30 (G-11M) - powered glider, on base G-29, a single engine F-11, / in the future
was supposed to establish a more powerful MV-6 (220hp) or two M-11 in
the wings. / 1942 Competitors: Polikarpov MP; Moskalyev SAM-22.
Gribovskiy G-31 (the first with this name) - powered glider, the upgraded G-29, (cockpit with
two pilots - side by side, can lean to one side for loading bulky items and
military equipment, fuselage cross section became oval shape, strut-braced
high-wing, engine-one or two M-11) ,1943-44, only project. Competitor:
Moskalyev SAM-28
Gribovskiy "unnamed" – troop-carrying glider, cargo capacity 3t. , 1946, only project.
Gribovskiy "unnamed" - troop-carrying glider, cargo capacity 6t. , 1946, only project.
Gribovskiy G-31 (the second with that name) – two-set (tandem-seater) training glider, 1947-48.
Gribovskiy "unnamed" - a small two-seat (side by side) training aircraft for DOSAV, engine M-10,
1 x 90hp, April 1948, project.
Gribovskiy G-32 - record glider, 1952, only project.

Sources: M. Maslov "Light wings VLADISLAV Gribovskiy"
A. Krasil'shchikov "Gliders USSR”
V. Kazakov "Combat aero-coupling"
V. Shavrov "History of aircraft construction in the USSR"
Magazines: "Aviamaster", "Wings of Motherland", "MK», "Flieger-Revue"

 

[hesham]

Excellent my dear Borovik,thank you very much.

 

[igor-mich]

Project 1947 training aircraft

 

[igor-mich]

G-1


G-7


G-13


G-16

 

[Cy-27]

Gribovski G-11M - Light Transport Aircraft

Powered version of the G-11, later re-designated G-30. A prototype with a M-11 engine mounted on a strutted pylon. Not developed. Further proposal for the G-11 glider to be fitted with two M-11 engines. This did not proceed beyond the design stage as the Shche-2 light glider was favoured by the Soviet military authorities for troop transportation.

POWERPLANT NO: 1 x M-11 (100 hp)
WING SPAN: 18.0 m
LENGTH: 9.71 m
WING AREA: 30.0 sq m
WING ASPECT RATIO: 10.8
HORIZONTAL TAIL AREA: 5.64 sq m
VERTICAL TAIL AREA: 2.70 sq m
AILERON AREA: 3.1 sq m
MAXIMUM TAKE OFF WEIGHT: 2,400 kgs
ACCOMODATION: 11
WING SECTION: R-II


SOURCES:
L+K Magazine 26/79 (Vaclav Nemecek)

 

[borovik]

G-30 (G-11M) variants

 

[Cy-27]

An artwork image of the G-11M type with the M-11 engine, from the Russian Aviakollekcija series (this one on Soviet transport gliders)

Source:
Авиаколлекция 2012 №12. Советские десантные планеры периода Великой Отечественной войны

 

[Cy-27]

A couple of views of the G-1 and G-30.

 

[Cy-27]

High wing G-10 - picture of CCCP-C280.

I think it is the same one as in the Russian Civil & Military Aircraft 1884-1969 (Nowarra & Duval) Harleyford

 

[hesham]

I wonder why the G-29/G-30 were also designated G-11. Could it have been a design by another manufacturer but built by Gribovskii?

Hi Stargazer,


but the G-11 was related to Gribovski only,and the G-29 was developed from it.

 

[Stargazer]

Hi Stargazer,


but the G-11 was related to Gribovski only,and the G-29 was developed from it.

No. The Gribovskii G-29 and G-30 entered service as the G-11 and G-11M, respectively. They are not different aircraft!

The G-29 being called G-11 everywhere has always been odd. It's not as in Tu-20/Tu-95 where there is an official numeral sequence and an OKB one... There are not two G- lists for Gribovskii!
And so, since several Russian pages talk about Grokhovski designing a glider named the G-11, my question was: could it be that that Grokhovskii's G-11 might have been produced by Gribovskii (as their G-29/G-30)? I strongly feel there's a connection here but I need confirmation from someone who reads Russian fluently and/or has studied these aircraft in detail before...

 

[igor-mich]

Designation G-29 had experienced glider in the series, he received the designation G-11. It's all design Gribovskogo V.K.
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3-11

 

[Stargazer]

Designation G-29 had experienced glider in the series, he received the designation G-11. It's all design Gribovskogo V.K.
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3-11

I'm sorry but I don't understand your sentence.

Besides, I no longer take Wikipedia as proof. Anyone can update Wikipedia and reproduce their own mistakes there! I'd like to read something from a first-hand source, a Russian book or article that CLEARLY explains why the G-29/G-30 had another designation as "G-11".

 

[Stargazer]

According to this website, the designation "G-11" refered merely to it being a glider for 11 paratroopers.
http://voina.su/db/tw/airforce/other/?node=24109&sort3=names3&name3=3631&card=15004

Simple! But totally weird as a designation...

 

[igor-mich]

Dear Stargazer2006, and the Encyclopedia "Russia Gliders" by Dyers AP 2005 edition will be for you an authoritative edition. So there, too, the same assertion that the original airframe G-11 was designated G-29.


Уважаемый Stargazer2006, а Энциклопедия "Планеры России", автор Красильщиков А.П. 2005 года издания будет для Вас авторитетным изданием. Так вот там тоже такое же утверждение, что первоначально планер Г-11 имел обозначение Г-29

 

[Stargazer]

I KNOW folks! My question was NOT whether the G-11 designation was legit. It was not whether it was used or not.
It was about WHY it was used... and if you read three posts above you'll find a quote that answered the question!

Also, please STOP talking about Grokhovskii in this context! You are bringing confusion again into the topic. My assumption about G-11 was wrong. I have removed all cross-references about this question and you keep bringing up the subject! I will have to edit all your posts further I'm afraid.

 

[hesham]

What was this Gribovskiy ?.

 

[borovik]

Late notice.
This is one of the variants of the G-14MP (though slightly distorted)
Intended to be used or a low-power motor or muscular force pilot.

 

[hesham]

Excellent my dear Borovik.

 

[igor-mich]

It's not razrblade Gribovsky.
This is the work of another designer Chenchikovskogo (Ченчиковский)

 

[borovik]

Yes, I agree. This is a "Red Bird" (1935) by S. Chenchikovsky.
I was misled about the inscription belonging to Gribovsky, in the Czech edition/search. This explains the "violation of the proportions."

 

[Maveric]

Do you have some dimensions and weights?

 

[igor-mich]

1

 

[hesham]

Thank you my dear Igor.

 

[borovik]

Do you have some dimensions and weights?

Height - 1.55 m, length - 4.5 m, wingspan - 12 meters, weight in the range of 55 kg. It sets strict limits for pilots. The total weight of a pilot cyclist should not exceed 120 kg, so the share of test is not more than 65 kg. wing profile TsAGI-828.

 

[Maveric]

Thanks my friend

 

[Avimimus]

Hello,

Does anyone know where I could find the weight of the Utka (canard) project? Information on the engine would also be helpful!

 

[igor-mich]

Engine M-11, and weighed about 900 kg (for the second embodiment, the weight 910 kg)

 

[Avimimus]

Engine M-11, and weighed about 900 kg (for the second embodiment, the weight 910 kg)

Thank you!

Is there any information on how much the wings were swept in the second design?