Giraffe tanks

[TomcatViP]

Tethered drones can be installed on all terrain vehicles. With appropriate data link and neural network they can then pass coordinates to all vehicles with appropriate fire power. So instead of having one expensive sensor with a bunch of missiles, you'd get a distributed set of sensors (resiliency) and an infinite number of shooters for only a fraction of the price per system. Scaling up their numbers doesn't translate in adding ressources with new specialized crew and support. The tethered drone is plug&play (since it hosts only the minimal extra systems for the mission) and only need qualified personnels trained to operate it (existing crew with added proficiency).

There are concept around that also make good use of the added power available that if sourced from the ICE engine of the vehicle can have better sensor than existing micro-UAV (and more goodies).

 

[riggerrob]

yes dear Tomcat ViP,
And many young recruits are better drone pilots than the DARPA scientists.
Hah!
Hah!

 

[jsport]

Tethered drones can be installed on all terrain vehicles. With appropriate data link and neural network they can then pass coordinates to all vehicles with appropriate fire power. So instead of having one expensive sensor with a bunch of missiles, you'd get a distributed set of sensors (resiliency) and an infinite number of shooters for only a fraction of the price per system. Scaling up their numbers doesn't translate in adding ressources with new specialized crew and support. The tethered drone is plug&play (since it hosts only the minimal extra systems for the mission) and only need qualified personnels trained to operate it (existing crew with added proficiency).

There are concept around that also make good use of the added power available that if sourced from the ICE engine of the vehicle can have better sensor than existing micro-UAV (and more goodies).

Yes on all the above, but a tethered drone tells them where to drop the mortar. TARDEC seems to be in love w/ the concept as does the USMC love of quadrotors. The quad goes up and mortar shell comes right on over.

 

[TomcatViP]

It's the down side of a thethered drone. You are right. But see it as poping up like helo use to do. With fast reeling and high power inherent to the high voltage capacity of the system, it can accelerate upward above foliage or structures, build an image of the surrounding space just to be quickly reeled down.

They are also some other tricks that will ensure better resilience against counter-fire.

 

[jsport]

It's the down side of a thethered drone. You are right. But see it as poping up like helo use to do. With fast reeling and high power inherent to the high voltage capacity of the system, it can accelerate upward above foliage or structures, build an image of the surrounding space just to be quickly reeled down.

They are also some other tricks that will ensure better resilience against counter-fire.

..would just argue a UGV base for a VTOL UAV is a better solution for hunting targets far from your vehicles. This Russian vehicle T99 /Armata tank destroyer is to destroy your vehicles at some sort of in/direct fire lg rg shot. Their UAVs will be hunting you and you should have your UAVs hunting them. (and your UAVs will be fighting theirs ie the AV Switchblade is not a solution).

Armata and the Russian Revolution

This article describes how the Armata fits into the Russian Ground Force, and the ecosystem

defensepoliticsasia.com

 

[Bottleship]

Soviet magazine:



Giraffe tank with ray gun... [music from "Red Alert"]

 

[lastdingo]

About tethered drones;

Things that won't come back ... because they already did (Part I)

This is blog about the defence against external threats and about the defence of civil liberties.

defense-and-freedom.blogspot.com

(see bottom)

less closely related:

Laser-tethered drones

This is blog about the defence against external threats and about the defence of civil liberties.

defense-and-freedom.blogspot.com

 

[Bottleship]

Modern Russian patent:





Giraffe armoured car with two guns. Special for KGB guys
Need a variant, based on this Soviet car, with tank gun:

 

[Bottleship]

Other Russian patent:

 

[arc1039]

that GT-6 ，as i know ， using Shanqi SX2150 chassis（based on Yanan SX250 based on Berliet） and 蓝箭-7 ATGM（based on AKD-10 ） norinco is a foreign trading conmpany ,so i dont think its design for PLA

 

[arc1039]

3 hd images for MAN 8X8 EPLA

 

[Bottleship]

Unknown Soviet WW2 (or post-WW2) giraffe tank concept (looks like a late T-44 or early T-54):

 

[riggerrob]

Dear Iron Felix,
reference post #128 ... that extendable chassis would also be handy when driving heavy AFVs over light bridges.

 

[shin_getter]

New find - one of the concepts of Kurjak (Black Wolf) - Yugoslav upgrade package for BRDM-2.
A new dimension of urban warfare - vehicular corner shot.

This seems like a concept that can be simplified:

Excuse the powerpoint generated imagery

The intention of a setup like this is corner shot and hull down capability with cheap but high payload rockets/low cost guided munitions while offering a fairly fast reload from the hull with no minimum complexity.

 

[Grey Havoc]

Via a relatively recent Reddit thread on the Wegmann Panther (the image in the opening post is actually of it's Python rival), some info on the HELEX:

HELEX - High Energy Laser Experimental

 

[monochromelody]

French magazine picture about EPLA

 

[monochromelody]

Article from Panzermuseum Munster, show that EPLA is the acronym of Elevierbaren PLAttform.
This EPLA VT1 based on Leopard chassis is not accurate, it's an SP70 chassis.
EPLA VT1 got a 3-man-crew, driver and loader in the hull and commander in the elevate cabin.
And if the elevation mechanism got failure, the commander have to do a rope decend. Hope those antenna aerial won't hurt his butt.

 

[Grey Havoc]

And the 'Leopard' EPLA (Versuchsträger 1) would directly lead to the PYTON, which was Krauss-Maffei's entry for the Jagdleopard competition, which everyone was expecting would be a shoe in for that requirement. Quite unexpectedly, it was beaten out by Wegmann's Panther instead.

 

[BillyGoatUnicorn]

New find - one of the concepts of Kurjak (Black Wolf) - Yugoslav upgrade package for BRDM-2.
A new dimension of urban warfare - vehicular corner shot.

This seems like a concept that can be simplified:

Excuse the powerpoint generated imagery

The intention of a setup like this is corner shot and hull down capability with cheap but high payload rockets/low cost guided munitions while offering a fairly fast reload from the hull with no minimum complexity.

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Hey, this is genuinely a really good idea! And it's simplistic enough to be able to be cheaply and somewhat crudely made, but with great operational success! Somewhat of a militia made killdozer situation.

 

[Bottleship]

Russian 1990/1993 patent, giraffe with special chains (based on MTLB transporter):

 

[Schwarzgold]

Article from Panzermuseum Munster, show that EPLA is the acronym of Elevierbaren PLAttform.
This EPLA VT1 based on Leopard chassis is not accurate, it's an SP70 chassis.
EPLA VT1 got a 3-man-crew, driver and loader in the hull and commander in the elevate cabin.
And if the elevation mechanism got failure, the commander have to do a rope decend. Hope those antenna aerial won't hurt his butt.

Hey there,

first time poster here. One quick question regarding the VT1 chassis. Obviously it is not a Leopard 1 chassis, but how are you sure that it's a SP70? I once saw a copy of the mentioned Bundeswehr's "Ergebnisbericht Zusammenfassung" (Report of results, summary") from September 1987 and they simply wrote "Leopard 2" in the paper.

Thanks a lot!

 

[publiusr]

Having these automated to look like something from T2 would frighten terrorists...especially if it were host to those legged aerial drones that dart insurgents in tents. Only one...others would be noise makers. A good use would have a dummy soldier aloft...but it be an audio spotlight with a beam of sound only the snipercould hear to drive him mad.

 

[monochromelody]

Article from Panzermuseum Munster, show that EPLA is the acronym of Elevierbaren PLAttform.
This EPLA VT1 based on Leopard chassis is not accurate, it's an SP70 chassis.
EPLA VT1 got a 3-man-crew, driver and loader in the hull and commander in the elevate cabin.
And if the elevation mechanism got failure, the commander have to do a rope decend. Hope those antenna aerial won't hurt his butt.

Hey there,

first time poster here. One quick question regarding the VT1 chassis. Obviously it is not a Leopard 1 chassis, but how are you sure that it's a SP70? I once saw a copy of the mentioned Bundeswehr's "Ergebnisbericht Zusammenfassung" (Report of results, summary") from September 1987 and they simply wrote "Leopard 2" in the paper.

Thanks a lot!

Rolf Hilmes says it's PzH 155-1 chassis.


Karl Anweiler says it's PzH 70 chassis, also known as PzH 155-1

Karl Anweiler and Manfred Pahlkötter also say this chassis also used as PzH 2000's testrig for light alloy tracks.

You can identify the plate as Y-595466.

Similar chassis identified in Meppen WTD 91 as PzH 155-1 by Hartziel.de, but with a different turret: PzH 2000 turret.


This turret came from the KM concept of PzH 2000.

 

[fightingirish]

Looks like, that the Panzermuseum in Munster, Germany, is monitoring this topic and will soon publish a YouTube-Video showing this "Versuchsträger".
Update: The video has first to be approved by the German DoD, before it will published on YouTube.
Twitter:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1458395039160225792

View: https://twitter.com/DasPanzermuseum/status/1458395039160225792

https://twitter.com/x/status/1458836407087206402

View: https://twitter.com/DasPanzermuseum/status/1458836407087206402?t=taOEi1O4RQsFqEu8T96gpQ
Update 2: The video will be published today on Saturday, 11th December 2021, at 20:00 hrs German time.
Link:

View: https://youtu.be/zsa-Zzdalls

 

[fightingirish]

Very interesting video! The German Army did not only test the technical facts of this concept, but also social aspects during combat between the commander alone in the tower with the driver sitting also alone in the tank hull. Unfortunately, the Panzermuseum won't produce an English version of this video in a foreseeable future.

 

[Grey Havoc]

My German is pretty rusty, unfortunately.

 

[Bottleship]

German giraffe patent:

EP0185871B1 - Lifting gun mount for battle tanks - Google Patents

 

[monochromelody]

Have I post this before?
Panzerjagerkampfwagen auf VTF fahrgestell



vehicle located in the storage of WTS Koblenz, circa 2004

 

[publiusr]

Hide in a recession in a trench…shoot over the top?

 

[shin_getter]

Why develop a 50+ ton machine to shoot some missiles, when you can buy a lift and have a guy stand on top?

 

[MadRat]

Tanks need to be mobile to survive. Good luck to that guy in the extended turret when maneuvering. Could be a niche vehicle, specializing in visuals and maybe even ambushes. Not too practical today.

I'd much rather see them have air-dropped cans that can settle on inaccessible ridges and on tall structures to remotely observe and provide ears around enemy movements. Solar or wind could provide their energy. They don't have to be much larger than typical office garbage can. If they call vehicles with a lift a giraffe, then spy-canisters would be maybe owls?

 

[Andrei_bt]

Have I post this before?
Panzerjagerkampfwagen auf VTF fahrgestell
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vehicle located in the storage of WTS Koblenz, circa 2004

Thanks! Maybe somebody know the place where these photos were made?

 

[riggerrob]

Modern Russian patent:
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Giraffe armoured car with two guns. Special for KGB guys
Need a variant, based on this Soviet car, with tank gun:
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Would that extendable chassis allow it to re-distribute weight over larger area?
... longer bridge span?
Would that extendable chassis allow it to cross bridges that are rated for less than the gross vehicle weight?

 

[publiusr]

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Why develop a 50+ ton machine to shoot some missiles, when you can buy a lift and have a guy stand on top?

Just give him a Purple Heart for even getting in that thing.

 

[shin_getter]

On that note, there is this recently popular ATGM called the Stugna-p. Just put the launcher bit on top with help of liberal application of rope and duct tape and call it a day.

That this did not happen is a military industrial complex conspiracy to steal tax dollars!one!1!

 

[monochromelody]

Have I post this before?
Panzerjagerkampfwagen auf VTF fahrgestell
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vehicle located in the storage of WTS Koblenz, circa 2004

Thanks! Maybe somebody know the place where these photos were made?

I take these photos from a book written by Rolf Hilmes.

 

[Andrei_bt]

Have I post this before?
Panzerjagerkampfwagen auf VTF fahrgestell
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vehicle located in the storage of WTS Koblenz, circa 2004

Thanks! Maybe somebody know the place where these photos were made?

I take these photos from a book written by Rolf Hilmes.
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Thanks, good book, just wanted to discover the place where these photos were made.

 

[monochromelody]

Have I post this before?
Panzerjagerkampfwagen auf VTF fahrgestell
View attachment 675454
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vehicle located in the storage of WTS Koblenz, circa 2004

Thanks! Maybe somebody know the place where these photos were made?

I take these photos from a book written by Rolf Hilmes.
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Thanks, good book, just wanted to discover the place where these photos were made.

These photos were taken in a storage facility of WTS Koblenz Museum. They put a RU251 with a Standardpanzer PT2B in the same storage.

 

[Andrei_bt]

Have I post this before?
Panzerjagerkampfwagen auf VTF fahrgestell
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vehicle located in the storage of WTS Koblenz, circa 2004

Thanks! Maybe somebody know the place where these photos were made?

I take these photos from a book written by Rolf Hilmes.
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Thanks, good book, just wanted to discover the place where these photos were made.

These photos were taken in a storage facility of WTS Koblenz Museum. They put a RU251 with a Standardpanzer PT2B in the same storage.

Thanks, but Keiler is no longer in WTS Koblenz

 

[Kat Tsun]

Hide in a recession in a trench…shoot over the top?

Essentially, although a giraffe was more a helicopter-on-the-ground than anything else when you boil down the concept. Why else does a tank destroyer need a mast? Which is why it disappeared as soon as Airbus ponied up enough partners to develop and field the Tiger.