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On its way to Hawaii, a trio (?) of Rafale, 3 A330MRT and 2 A400M landed in Tahiti (NTAA). This was the largest military air contingents there since long.


 
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On its way to Hawaii, a trio (?) of Rafale, 3 A330MRT and 2 A400M landed in Tahiti (NTAA). This was the largest military air contingents there since long.


an awesome video
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhEs6hPniH0


I believe normally the French don't station any fixed wing fighters in Tahiti or other parts of French Polynesia?
I looked up Scramble and only saw patrol aircraft.

I wonder if they eventually plan to station some, like how Hawaii does with their F-22s and F-15s
 

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I believe normally the French don't station any fixed wing fighters in Tahiti or other parts of French Polynesia?
I looked up Scramble and only saw patrol aircraft.

I wonder if they eventually plan to station some, like how Hawaii does with their F-22s and F-15s


With the increase in regional tensions in the Asia-Pacific zone, will France be able to protect its nationals who remain at the antipodes of the Metropolis or to stand alongside its allies in the event of an offensive? This is in any case the objective that the Air Force has set itself, which is already in battle order to deploy by 2023 near 20 Rafale in less than 48 hours, and on short notice, as far as French Polynesia. The Heifara Wakea exercise marks the first milestone of this exercise.
 

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Well, if French Polynesia vote for independance in November (and polls are getting closer and closer) then that point will be... moot.

Of the very few consolations in losing the place: the French Navy and to a lesser extend the Air force will be much less overstretched; they will be able to focuse back on other overseas territories in the caribbean plus La Réunion (my happy place completely isolated at the bottom of Indian ocean).
 

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Well, if French Polynesia vote for independance in November (and polls are getting closer and closer) then that point will be... moot.

Of the very few consolations in losing the place: the French Navy and to a lesser extend the Air force will be much less overstretched; they will be able to focuse back on other overseas territories in the caribbean plus La Réunion (my happy place completely isolated at the bottom of Indian ocean).

French Polynesia can very well stay in association with France
just like when Palau or Cook Island became independent, they opted to sign a free-association agreement with US and NZ respectively
 

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Well, if French Polynesia vote for independance in November (and polls are getting closer and closer) then that point will be... moot.

Of the very few consolations in losing the place: the French Navy and to a lesser extend the Air force will be much less overstretched; they will be able to focuse back on other overseas territories in the caribbean plus La Réunion (my happy place completely isolated at the bottom of Indian ocean).

French Polynesia can very well stay in association with France
just like when Palau or Cook Island became independent, they opted to sign a free-association agreement with US and NZ respectively

Not sure unfortunately French Polynesians will go this way. There is some lasting... resent from them, for good (and bad) reasons. For a start, nuking the shit out of a couple of their islands for 30 years did not helped.

More seriously: the events of 1988 were bad. Very bad.


It wasn't as bad as Northern Ireland, but it was nonetheless bloody.
 
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Ouvea was in New Caledonia, not in Polynesia. And, AFAIK, the (third and last, at least as foreseen) vote for independance will be in December in New Caledonia, not in Polynesia.
 

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D'oh, silly me ! Got my Pacific French overseas territories completely wrong.

(put tar and feathers on my face)

...then again, I'm no worse than some French people thinking La Réunion island is just like Guadeloupe and Martinique - I mean, in the Caribbean ! :eek::eek::eek::eek:
 

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Doubts about the American F-35 fighter jet

The promise of reduced costs for the US fighter jet raises fundamental questions.

THURSDAY 24 JUNE 2021 PHILIPPE BOEGLIN

The F-35 is particularly pointed out in the United States by official bodies and parliamentarians for its long-term costs.

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The fighter planes continue to boil the federal Bern. Since the NZZ and SRF television claimed Defense Minister Viola Amherd favored the US F-35 jet, the debate has become fierce. This presumed choice would be based on a lower price and better test performance. And it seriously amazes various actors in military and political circles. A trend is emerging: the advantageous maintenance costs of the device are called into question. This is a crucial aspect of the $ 6 billion purchase, sensitive also for the F-35, as the aircraft is pointed out in the United States by official bodies and parliamentarians for its long-term costs.

According to the NZZ, the manufacturer Lockheed Martin would propose to use a simulator extensively to reduce actual flight hours, and therefore expenses over the 30-year lifespan. The Federal Department of Defense (DDPS) is not confirming, nor is Lockheed Martin, but insiders believe the information to be "true."

The simulator argument raises eyebrows among scholars. On the one hand, because it seems strange that the F-35 brings considerable added value here: all modern jets have developed simulation systems. This is also the case for the other three competitors, the French Rafale aircraft, the European Eurofighter, and the other American F / A-18 Super Hornet.

Simulator flights in question

On the other hand, according to our information, the rivals of the F-35 were not explicitly solicited to advance an offer including a significant proportion of simulator flights. “If that had been the case, they could also have submitted a cheaper price,” sums up one connoisseur. In fact, the head of assessment, the Federal Office of Armaments (armasuisse) asked for the rate for 180 flying hours per year and per machine.

There are question marks about the armasuisse method. This one does not answer our questions. Also contacted, it is the Department of Defense which centralizes communication: "The DDPS does not comment on rumors concerning Federal Council affairs. The Federal Council is still scheduled to proceed with the type selection for the new fighter jets and the new long-range surface-to-air defense system in the second quarter of 2021. The decision will be actively communicated. " The government should decide next Wednesday, after addressing the issue this Thursday afternoon.
 

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That's why you have full flight simulators in civil aviation and full mission simulators in the military.
The F-35's one replicates most of the systems in the airplane and is dynamically fed with outside threat database. You can then train realistically in the simulated environment, familiarizing with your mission, fly with a real teammate flying another F-35 or another type of aircraft, learn when your sensors will pickup an expected threat, from where your signals could be monitored by an adversary (a must for a stealth aircraft) and practice at low cost.

The simulator has been vaunted by real F-35 pilots and make flying the beast easy. Something usefull in the context of the Swiss approach of defense (conscrits).

I am not sure that there is a dynamic full mission simulator for the Rafale.
 

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first time hearing about a proposal for a Rafale F5 version

Each Eur going to the upgrade will be one less for SCAF.
In all likeliness, if this upgrade ever happens, it'll almost entirely be funded by a foreign purchase.
 

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2040-45 is a long time away, presumably Dassault would pitch an F5 to fill that gap (maybe even an F6). They are going to want to keep the Rafale going until the SCAF enters production.
 

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Shouldn't they focus first in delivering the improvements that pumped-up the F3 price for India?
If we remember correctly, every F3R out of Dassault-Aviation, France, were to be upgraded in India. How many have gone through so far?

That we know, Zero.
 

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Mission Logo for the US/French training exercice in Hawaii:
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first time hearing about a proposal for a Rafale F5 version

Each Eur going to the upgrade will be one less for SCAF.
In all likeliness, if this upgrade ever happens, it'll almost entirely be funded by a foreign purchase.
According to the chief of the French Armée de l'Air et de l'Espace (AAE), the F5 standard is foreseen for the French Armée de l'Air from the "beginning" of the 2030 years.


"(F4) is a very complete standard that I would qualify as major for the Rafale", summarized General Frédéric Parisot, the major general of the Air & Space [AAE] army, (...). However, and even if the Future Air Combat System [SCAF] is supposed to take over in 2040, there is no question of stopping there.

“From its conception, the Rafale has been designed with an incremental approach. It will extend beyond the entry into service of the NGF [New Generation Fighter] by 2040 ", explained the MGAAE, referring to the fighter aircraft on which the SCAF will be based.

“At the start of the 2030s, the F5 standard will allow us to further improve the Rafale's first entry capacity, with new sensors and armaments, but also capacities to communicate, collaborate and be interoperable”, then indicated General Parisot.
 

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So does that mean that they are going for a mixed fleet of stealth and conventional aircraft?
 

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So does that mean that they are going for a mixed fleet of stealth and conventional aircraft?

No. Older and newer. Normal thing.
Btw so called "stealth" aircraft is conventional aircraft too.
 

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Qatar will base 12 Rafale and 9 Mirage 2000 fighter jets besides four Boeing C-17A Globemaster III transport aircraft in Turkey for a period of five years for training purposes.
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The deal has attracted concern from the Greek media. “If the agreement is confirmed, it needs a thorough analysis and interpretation by the Greek side, dealing with its potential consequences,” defensepoint.gr wrote today.

The Greek concern stems from the fact that it has ordered Rafale jets and the basing of similar aircraft in Turkey may give the latter some advantages. Greece has simmering differences with Ankara over control of the Eastern Mediterranean.

 

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Qatar will base 12 Rafale and 9 Mirage 2000 fighter jets besides four Boeing C-17A Globemaster III transport aircraft in Turkey for a period of five years for training purposes.
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The deal has attracted concern from the Greek media. “If the agreement is confirmed, it needs a thorough analysis and interpretation by the Greek side, dealing with its potential consequences,” defensepoint.gr wrote today.

The Greek concern stems from the fact that it has ordered Rafale jets and the basing of similar aircraft in Turkey may give the latter some advantages. Greece has simmering differences with Ankara over control of the Eastern Mediterranean.


Dang. After "F-16 vs F-16" in the 90's, will we get "Rafale vs Rafale" in the 2020's ?
(note: could have been F-102 vs F-102 fifty years ago, too).
 

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Wow, even the mighty Su-35 got jammed (and i didnt know Egypt has Su-35s.. their air force fleet is crazy with diversity.. )

i always felt that the Rafale had some good "guts". was hoping that some country would work with France (say India) and make a 5th gen aircraft using Rafale guts in a new gen air frame. it could work well.
 

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Istres, France today : Hellenic Air Force, first Rafale handover ceremony

 

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This is kind of curious on which "Breaking Defense" magazine being referred as source.

The breaking defense article have nothing mentining Sukhoi being jammed etc

 

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There is also the fact that F4 will be available as an upgrade and not only on newly manufactured airframes.
 

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This is kind of curious on which "Breaking Defense" magazine being referred as source.

The breaking defense article have nothing mentining Sukhoi being jammed etc

Indeed, no information of this kind on the Breaking Defense site. In any case, I did not find it :

 

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Three more Rafale in India :

 

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Wow, even the mighty Su-35 got jammed (and i didnt know Egypt has Su-35s.. their air force fleet is crazy with diversity.. )

i always felt that the Rafale had some good "guts". was hoping that some country would work with France (say India) and make a 5th gen aircraft using Rafale guts in a new gen air frame. it could work well.

Nothing got jammed.....as Egypt doesn't have its Su-35s yet.....so where could this Su-35 vs Rafale excersise taken place?
 

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Wow, even the mighty Su-35 got jammed (and i didnt know Egypt has Su-35s.. their air force fleet is crazy with diversity.. )

i always felt that the Rafale had some good "guts". was hoping that some country would work with France (say India) and make a 5th gen aircraft using Rafale guts in a new gen air frame. it could work well.

Nothing got jammed.....as Egypt doesn't have its Su-35s yet.....so where could this Su-35 vs Rafale excersise taken place?
thanks for the clarification.
unfortunately it seems this story has now spread and many are using pics of that Egyptian su-35 being tested in Russia as their picture
 

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Yeah , tho those 5 might still be in Russia for training or some problem... it's to be delivered in 2023. The only way Rafale can get the exercise is to actually bring them to Russia.
 

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