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  1. uk 75

    Tartar/Standard: The RN's missed opportunity

    As the Tartar-derived Standard family continues to thrive https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/standard-missile-projects.7671/unread I am going to re-visit another Hobbyhorse of mine. The Dutch took close look at CF299/Seadart and dropped it in favour of Tartar/Standard for its two Tromp...
  2. uk 75

    Getting a British Phantom

    The subject which perhaps has been kicked around on this website more than any other is whether the UK could have designed and built a two seater fighter-bomber in the 1960s to replace RAF Lightnings and RN Sea Vixens and replace RAF Hunters (The RN already had Buccaneer). The Hawker P1154 was...
  3. A

    The Fleet Air Arm pivots toward Harriers and Escort cruiser - right from 1962

    As said in the tin. When you think about it, it would avoid an immense amount of suffering and money waste. Kind of - screw the Tigers - screw CVA-01 - screw Spey Phantoms do we agree all three above were expensive boondoggles ? so good riddance (sorry, that's the radical in me... !) Also...
  4. helmutkohl

    What if UK postponed the decomissioning of the Ark Royal class, would it change the outcome of the Falklands?

    the Falklands war occurred in 82 Ark Royal (or another ship of the same class?) was decommissioned in 79 What if they had opted to delay the decommissioning by a few years but then the Falkland war occurred anyways Would the Ark Royal have been sent? would it have contributed differently than...
  5. A

    Dark Moon Rising: Archibald space TL

    As said in the tin. I've worked on this huge thing since February 2008 when I joined, first, NASAspaceflight.com and AH.com. Took me a decade and 2019 to get a stronger focus and backstory. Now the POD is clearer. In August 1967 at a crucial juncture in NASA history the last Lunar Orbiter...
  6. Dilandu

    Italian Fotobomba (AH, 1945)

    This concept is from my AH project "Savioe Cross". In short - in 1943, Mussolini was a bit quicker, and managed to broker peace with Allies before the Victor Emmanuel III. Italy managed to came out of Axis more orderly, and successfully repel (with Allied help, of course), German invasion. But...
  7. uk 75

    RN disposes of battleships in 1947

    How useful would it have been if the Royal Navy had grasped the nettle in 1947 and decided to scrap its battleships? Admittedly this is much easier with the benefit of hindsight. But the lessons of the war and the success of air and submarine attacks on battleships were already well known. The...
  8. uk 75

    A different V force in the 1960s

    If the Vickers Valiants had been transfered from strike to tankers earlier could the fatigue problems have been avoided. Their strike role could have been taken on by Vulcan or Victor B1s. With the Valiants serving into the 1970s the Victors could have continued in the recce and conventional...
  9. shin_getter

    WWI doesn't happen: what happens to military technology?

    Given that WWI had a fairly random trigger, it is not particularly strange (in alt history terms) to explore the alternative. So WWI does not happen, while a steady stream of bush wars still does. What happens to military technology? When will the following things be invented and adapted...
  10. isayyo2

    Polaris tubes stay on Cruisers?

    Before Polaris was put out to sea, submarines weren't their only host platform; the USN had their Long Beach and Albany cruisers "fitted for, but not with" with eight Polaris tubes. Also, the Italian Navy and their Cruisers held provisions for Polaris tubes. Still, these plans were dashed after...
  11. Michel Van

    German VTOL Business Jet

    I need your Advice I working on Story were German history goes little different Here goes Aerospace industry in VTOL with Do-31 and EWR VJ 101 get into service. One of civilian application is a VTOL Business Jet I took the MBB HFB 320 Jet as template With Mass 9600 kg it need around...
  12. uk 75

    NATO Minuteman

    After the Cuban missile crisis in 1962 the US replaced its land based medium range ballistic missiles in Europe. While the Minuteman ICBM was the main national deterrent system, the role of countering Russian missiles aimed at Western Europe was taken on by Polaris (later Poseidon) submarines...
  13. A

    Zumwalt "borrows" (and adapts) European carrier designs...

    ... instead of re-inventing the wheel in the 70's. The idea is to blend together, Zumwalt "cheaper decks" (SCS / VSS / CVV) and the too few carrier designs from Europe. To bolster NATO fleets on one side, and the USN on the other - more flattops on both sides of the Atlantic. That is...
  14. S

    Space Board Game Liftoff! 2.0

    Hi I really love this web site it has so much fantastic info on the hidden or forgotten space projects. Sadly, I don’t visit this website enough due to my projects. In 1989 I had my old boardgame Liftoff! Race to the Moon published; a simulation for four players with alternate proposed ways of...
  15. Z

    Saro P.177 scenario(s)

    Saro F.177 Option to NA.47 Scenario(s) examining AH were Saro's F.177 aircraft is built and enters service. Ok so it will be an absolute certainty that the negatives will pile on this one. But in turn, if one is looking for a domestic UK fighter and light attack type then this is it. Actually...
  16. Michel Van

    Aerospace after World War Three 1961

    First a explication how WW3 started and follow initial situation after 1961 Prelude to War 1960 was not good year for Khrushchev, the Soviet ICBM program run into trouble First Korolev informed him that R-7 ICBM was only able to reach north part of USA, in October the R-16 ICBM test ended in...
  17. A

    Alternate Manned Orbiting Laboratory, 1966: NASA, USAF, and the Lew Allen solution

    See attached, from a declassified history of spysats. NASA and the military as of 1966 were quite unhappy at each others. - The military was encroaching on NASA manned spaceflight area, with MOL. - NASA was greatly bothering the military and spooks (NRO, USAF, CIA) by "hijacking" NRO...
  18. Lascaris

    Small battleship alternatives/ pocket battleship counters?

    Dealing with a pocket battleship threat but with a twist. Instead of one of the great powers assume you have a nation that cannot build its own capital ships, that has to deal with a pair of pocket battleships around 1932. Say for example Goeben proved unrepairable and its guns were used for a...
  19. Z

    The U.K. develops the gas turbine significantly quicker

    Inspired by the “What if the gas turbine hadn’t happened“ I always thought of a different angle. This considers what would have happened if just two men had a different mindset at just one meeting? Ref “Genesis of the Jet” John Golley. This book documents Frank Whittle struggle to develop the...
  20. R

    USAAC limited to Ford Tri-Motor until 1941?

    What if the United States Army Air Corps was limited to Ford Tri-Motor transports until the onset of World War 2? For the purposes of debate, Bill Stout is allowed to update the basic Ford airframe to 23,000 pound gross weight and up to 725 horsepower per engine, but is still limited to the...
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