Avions Bréguet (Br) designations

[PhR]

Br 800 carrier-launched four-engine twin-float twin-fin seaplane airliner project with folding wings (1937 - not built)
Br 801 projected variant (not built)
Br 802 projected variant (not built)
Br 803 projected variant (not built)

The Breguet 800 is a single engine twin-float three-seater catapult reconnaissance seaplane.
The Breguet 801 and 802 were studied for the same usage, with completely different configuration: twin-engined flying boat. The 801 model has 2 tractive engines on both sides, the 802 has push-pull configuration on top.
The Breguet 803 is a single engine pusher configuration twin-float configuration variant.

None was built. More details here: https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/bréguet-800-floatplane-scout.9829/#post-718239

 

[Stargazer]

The Breguet 800 is a single engine twin-float three-seater catapult reconnaissance seaplane.
The Breguet 801 and 802 were studied for the same usage, with completely different configuration: twin-engined flying boat. The 801 model has 2 tractive engines on both sides, the 802 has push-pull configuration on top.
The Breguet 803 is a single engine pusher configuration twin-float configuration variant.

None was built. More details here: https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/bréguet-800-floatplane-scout.9829/#post-718239

Thanks Philippe, I'll update my data right away.

 

[PhR]

Thanks Philippe, I'll update my data right away.

You can also update the Breguet 420: https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/breguet-br-420-bomber-recce-aircraft.10642/#post-124006

 

[Stargazer]

Looking at old documents, it would seem that whole "Breguet without an accent" thing was never as clearcut as the Breguet family now claims it was, and that researchers can't really be blamed for often adding the infamous accent. Please note that the acute accent is actually often present in period publications, but here I've chosen to stick strictly to documents originating with the company. Here are two instances: a company ad from 1929 and a signature (likely from another ad). As you can see, the acute accent is present in the former... while a grave accent features on the latter... a weird occurrence, because an acute accent indicates a pronunciation close to the English "i" in "fit", while the grave accent indicates a sound close to the "e" in "bread"!

 

[Stargazer]

You can also update the Breguet 420: https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/breguet-br-420-bomber-recce-aircraft.10642/#post-124006

Done. I've also removed the earlier version of my list in post #5, and added the Br 46 T mockup of 1934.

 

[PhR]

I agree :

Looking at old documents, it would seem that whole "Breguet without an accent" thing was never as clearcut as the Breguet family now claims it was, and that researchers can't really be blamed for often adding the infamous accent. Please note that the acute accent is actually often present in period publications, but here I've chosen to stick strictly to documents originating with the company. Here are two instances: a company ad from 1929 and a signature (likely from another ad). As you can see, the acute accent is present in the former... while a grave accent features on the latter... a weird occurrence, because an acute accent indicates a pronunciation close to the English "i" in "fit", while the grave accent indicates a sound close to the "e" in "bread"!

I agree: I also found plenty of documents with "é" instead of e", including company official documents. I attach an example of blue-print caption.
This is also why I shown before Louis Breguet birth certificate to confirm the official "administrative" spelling.

 

[PhR]

Done. I've also removed the earlier version of my list in post #5, and added the Br 46 T mockup of 1934.

Your Breguet 803 description is not correct:

Br 803

twin-engined variant in push-pull configuration (engines above wing)

not built

It was a single-engine pusher, twin float configuration.

 

[Stargazer]

Your Breguet 803 description is not correct:

Br 803

twin-engined variant in push-pull configuration (engines above wing)

not built

It was a single-engine pusher, twin float configuration.

Fixed. Somehow the copy-paste had not worked the first time around. Thanks for your vigilance!

 

[hesham]

I can add to this list,

Bre.22H
Bre.22T
Bre.23 Civil
Bre.23/II
Bre.26 First Use
Bre.321
Bre.340 was four versions
Bre.471
Bre.500 First Use
Bre.550 from Bre.521
Bre.550B4
Bre.600/II was a seaplane,not combat aircraft (My fault)
Bre.660H
Bre.701/II was a recce aircraft project
Bre.720H
Bre.751
Bre.811
Bre.861 ?

 

[Bazinga]

Br 780	twin-fin flying-boat project	not built
Br 780	six-engined heavy bomber project
Br 781	four-engined heavy bomber project

Hello Stephane. As you may have noticed, I'm working on Breguet at the moment. In 2016, ONERA published a list of models, as you already know. It lists the Bre.781 as a hydravion, so flying boat. It is dated 1936, so at that time Wibault-Penhoet was closely collaborating with Breguet, and Breguet was told by the French ministry to work on flying boats (Hartmann).

Might it be possible that both the 780 and 781 were heavy bomber flying boats? That would also explain the double listing for the 780.

 

[hesham]

Might it be possible that both the 780 and 781 were heavy bomber flying boats? That would also explain the double listing for the 780.

They are a civil projects,not heavy bombers ?.

 

[Bazinga]

OK, so we have evidence that both a 780 and a 781 are flying boats. I know the list from Stephane is not out of thin air. It seems then that the 780/781 have also been used for a bomber project. Is there evidence suggesting the bomber project? I could not find any.

 

[hesham]

OK, so we have evidence that both a 780 and a 781 are flying boats. I know the list from Stephane is not out of thin air. It seems then that the 780/781 have also been used for a bomber project. Is there evidence suggesting the bomber project? I could not find any.

There are no hints in any source for these bomber projects,they were only a civil
flying boats.