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Re: BAC/Sud Aviation Concorde - Development, Variants, Projects
« Reply #90 on: May 16, 2017, 06:52:57 am »
Hi Blackkite,
here you have a 360 view of the first prototype at Le Bourget museum :
http://www.museeairespace.fr/aller-plus-haut/panoramas-360/360-cabines-de-pilotage/panorama-360-concorde-001-f-wtss/

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Re: BAC/Sud Aviation Concorde - Development, Variants, Projects
« Reply #91 on: May 16, 2017, 07:23:34 am »
Oh my dear galgot-san!! Thank you very much for your super information. :D
Do you know overall length of prototype Concorde ? 184ft4.5in(56.20m)?
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Re: BAC/Sud Aviation Concorde - Development, Variants, Projects
« Reply #92 on: May 16, 2017, 07:29:58 am »
http://www.heritageconcorde.com/airframe-dimensions
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First and second prototypes:

Shorter fuselage and only small windows in metal nose visor.

Larger passenger cabin windows.

Olympus 593-1, 2B or 3B engines

OVERALL LENGTH 51:80 M

FUSELAGE MAX EXTERNAL WIDTH 2.88M (95)

FUSELAGE MAX INTERNAL WIDTH 2.63M (103:4)

FUSELAGE MAX EXTERNAL HEIGHT 1.96M (77)

WING SPAN 23:80M (8310)


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Re: BAC/Sud Aviation Concorde - Development, Variants, Projects
« Reply #93 on: May 16, 2017, 07:39:33 am »
Thanks a lot Arjen-san. :D I feel 51.8m is little short.

WING SPAN 23:80M (8310) is mistake. 83'10" is 25.552m.
FUSELAGE MAX INTERNAL WIDTH 2.63M (103:4)???
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Re: BAC/Sud Aviation Concorde - Development, Variants, Projects
« Reply #94 on: May 16, 2017, 08:02:34 am »
I will have look at my books to determine what went wrong with the wing span figures. If I remember correctly, the prototype was considerably shorter than the pre-production aircraft - which, in turn, were a little shorter than the production aircraft.

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Re: BAC/Sud Aviation Concorde - Development, Variants, Projects
« Reply #95 on: May 16, 2017, 10:34:37 am »
Jane's All the World's Aircraft 1966-67 gives 58.24m length, 25.50m span in SI-units.
Oddly, in Imperial measures it gives 194 ft 10 in length, 83 ft 10 in span - which, with a conversion factor of 2.54 cm to 1 inch, translates to 59.39m length, 25.56m span.
Image from reply #77 shows 3.73m as the difference in length between production tail and prototype tail:

I'm guessing 58.24m is closest to reality.
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Re: BAC/Sud Aviation Concorde - Development, Variants, Projects
« Reply #96 on: May 16, 2017, 02:24:27 pm »
HmHmHm..........
Thanks a lot Arjan-san. :D
I feel this drawing for Concorde production model is reliable.
Overall length is 61.661m(202ft4in), Span is 25.6m(83ft10in).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Concordev1.0.png

Production model nose down video.


Pre-production model nose down demo.(Please take care about short tail.) So pre-production model nose shape is same as production model.
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Re: BAC/Sud Aviation Concorde - Development, Variants, Projects
« Reply #97 on: May 16, 2017, 09:07:12 pm »
Concorde prototype roll out video.


Concorde prototype construction video. You can see wind shield moving mechanism. (1:05 to 1:48 and 3:42 to 4:00)
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Re: BAC/Sud Aviation Concorde - Development, Variants, Projects
« Reply #98 on: May 16, 2017, 09:40:06 pm »
Prototype nose pictures.

http://www.heritageconcorde.com/f-wtss-001

Interesting videos.
http://www.heritageconcorde.com/nose-and-visor-design-and-manufacture
Interesting information.
http://www.heritageconcorde.com/nose-and-visor-general
Nose design evolution. Production/Pre-production model nose is longer than prototype.
http://www.heritageconcorde.com/nose-and-visor-general


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Re: BAC/Sud Aviation Concorde - Development, Variants, Projects
« Reply #99 on: May 17, 2017, 05:58:19 am »
I found another drawing for production model.

http://concorde.moitry.fr/francais/contenu/detailstechniques.asp

Perhaps main cabin length is common between prototype, pre-production model and production model. Pre-production model had short tail, if production model overall length is 62.1m, pre-production model overall length seemd to be as follows.
62.1m-3.73m=58.37m (191.5ft) (There are another data, 193ft and 194ft)
http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=728.0;attach=579471;image

Concorde Airframe Design and Development
http://papers.sae.org/912162/
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Re: BAC/Sud Aviation Concorde - Development, Variants, Projects
« Reply #101 on: May 18, 2017, 05:12:00 am »
Hi! Concorde prototype, Pre production model and Production model side view. And dimension.

Another book says that Concorde dimension as follows.  (AIRLINER COLOR HISTORY CONCORDE,ISBN 0-7603-1195-1)
https://www.abebooks.com/9780760311950/Concorde-Airliner-Color-History-Endres-0760311951/plp

                               Prototype                Pre-Production            Production
wing span           83ft 10in(25.56m)        83ft 10in(25.56m)      83ft 10in(25.56m)
Length Overall    184ft4.5in(56.20m)     194ft(59.13m)            203ft10in(62.13m)
Height Overall      36ft6in(11.1m)           38ft(11.58m)              40ft1in(12.22m)

Super data.

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Re: BAC/Sud Aviation Concorde - Development, Variants, Projects
« Reply #102 on: May 18, 2017, 05:52:40 am »
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Re: BAC/Sud Aviation Concorde - Development, Variants, Projects
« Reply #103 on: May 18, 2017, 02:04:45 pm »
Is this aircraft also Bristol design? I feel Armstrong Whitworth. :o
http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=728.0;attach=579949;image

http://glostransporthistory.visit-gloucestershire.co.uk/Air_More%20Aircraft%20Blow%20In.htm

"Much more radical however was the W wing model, effectively like two swept-forward plan forms on either side of the fuselage and combining the proven advantages of a swept or delta wing with aerofoils closer to the front of the fuselage to enhance low speed handling.  A similar effect is nowadays achieved by the use of canard foreplanes such as those found on the Eurofighter Typhoon, although back in the 1950s the W wing was seriously considered by the Bristol Aeroplane Company.

ARC-CP-773 Free Flight Measurements of the Drag and Longitudinal Stability of a Transonic M-Wing Aircraft.pdf
https://www.abbottaerospace.com/wpdm-package/arc-cp-773-free-flight-measurements-of-the-drag-and-longitudinal-stability-of-a-transonic-m-wing-aircraft
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