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Italian WW2 High-altitude bomber project
« on: August 23, 2006, 06:32:30 am »
Circa late 1942 Ing. Casiraghi, chief designer of Piaggio, worked on a project fro an high-altitude pressurized long range bomber. P-130 was powered by 4 Piaggio P XII RC 100 A DB-605 located on top of the bomb bay drove the compressor. Defensive weapons were two revolving turrets Breda Z  on the upper airframe and a Breda X1 in the belly. All were remote controlled. Offensive weapons were up to 10 middle weight bombs (250 KG each). Project was low priority  P-133 was judged more important. Source Aerofan /65 second quarter 1998

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Re: Italian WW2 High-altitude bomber project
« Reply #1 on: August 24, 2006, 12:25:25 pm »
Breathtaking Sky...
Thanks.

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Re: Italian WW2 High-altitude bomber project
« Reply #2 on: August 25, 2006, 01:36:04 am »
Thanks, since YOU are the authority in his kind of projects (Fugaku, etc) :D
I discovered it during my research on airline projects intended fro 1946 on by Axis powers. Lot of interesting things. Probably I'll start posting one day or another.

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Re: Italian WW2 High-altitude bomber project
« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2006, 07:45:06 am »
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airline projects intended fro 1946 on by Axis powers
:o :o

Please, please open this topic. I'll give you my help :)

Junkers EF100......There are some ideas on Jet Planes of the Third Reich. Volume 2

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Re: Italian WW2 High-altitude bomber project
« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2006, 03:40:41 pm »
Eh, eh Junkers EF-100 !!!!
Ok, I'll post what I have (BTW, Piaggio designed an almost replica of the EF-100.... curious?  8)  )

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Re: Italian WW2 High-altitude bomber project
« Reply #5 on: August 17, 2008, 12:07:27 pm »
Hi Skybolt,

you forget your post to this topic?

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Re: Italian WW2 High-altitude bomber project
« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2008, 03:11:49 am »
Yes, two years gone..  ;). But I still have something, just have to find it. And BTW, do you like the P.130 AKA "The Italain Superfortress" ?  ;) ::)

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Re: Italian WW2 High-altitude bomber project
« Reply #7 on: August 25, 2008, 06:46:41 pm »
Any dimensions??

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Re: Italian WW2 High-altitude bomber project
« Reply #8 on: August 26, 2008, 12:33:23 am »
From one drawing the lenght was sligthly more than 34 meters. But I'm confident to take hold on an original drawing, with quotes.

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Re: Italian WW2 High-altitude bomber project
« Reply #9 on: May 31, 2011, 10:04:39 am »
Why did the P-133 have the higher priority?
The sole imperative of a government, once instituted, is to survive.

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Re: Italian WW2 High-altitude bomber project
« Reply #10 on: May 31, 2011, 10:14:32 am »
Because it was ready for production. The P-133 was ordered (24 in total) and work was started on the first batch of 6. As I said, it was an evolution of the P-108, technologically. The P-130 was a different kind of effort (Piaggio spent little more the 500 man-hours on it). SPEAKING IN VERY RELATIVE TERMS (EMPHASYS !!!) for Italian industry it would have been the same step done by the US in going from the B-24 to the B-29 (now, if someone writes that the P-130 was the "Italian B-29" I'll simply kill him... ::) )

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Re: Italian WW2 High-altitude bomber project
« Reply #11 on: May 31, 2011, 01:36:33 pm »
Because it was ready for production. The P-133 was ordered (24 in total) and work was started on the first batch of 6. As I said, it was an evolution of the P-108, technologically. The P-130 was a different kind of effort (Piaggio spent little more the 500 man-hours on it). SPEAKING IN VERY RELATIVE TERMS (EMPHASYS !!!) for Italian industry it would have been the same step done by the US in going from the B-24 to the B-29 (now, if someone writes that the P-130 was the "Italian B-29" I'll simply kill him... ::) )

What more can you add about the Italian B-29?

 ;D :D ;)

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Re: Italian WW2 High-altitude bomber project
« Reply #12 on: May 31, 2011, 01:51:34 pm »
The sole imperative of a government, once instituted, is to survive.

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Re: Italian WW2 High-altitude bomber project
« Reply #14 on: February 06, 2019, 07:56:37 am »
Hasan, your link is incomplete. It should be
https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/197858-progetto-tech-tree-aerei-italiani/&page=154
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Apertura alare di 38 metri ( 7 piu del B-17 ) ...4 motori P.XII RC 100 ...piu' un DB605 solo per gli accendisigari e la pressurizzazione della cabina ..3 torrette binate per la difesa e carico da 5 tonnellate (10x500kg) ... Puntamento tedesco
Fed this to google translate ...
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Wingspan of 38 meters (7 more than the B-17) ... 4 engines [Piaggio] P.XII RC 100 ... plus a DB605 only for the cigarette lighter and the pressurization of the cabin ..3 twin turrets for the defense and loading from 5 tons (10x500kg) ... German gunnery control

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Re: Italian WW2 High-altitude bomber project
« Reply #15 on: February 06, 2019, 01:42:12 pm »
OK my dear Arjen,

but I check from every pages at first,so I didn't keep its direct link.

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Re: Italian WW2 High-altitude bomber project
« Reply #16 on: February 09, 2019, 03:00:26 pm »
Hasan, your link is incomplete. It should be
https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/197858-progetto-tech-tree-aerei-italiani/&page=154
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Apertura alare di 38 metri ( 7 piu del B-17 ) ...4 motori P.XII RC 100 ...piu' un DB605 solo per gli accendisigari e la pressurizzazione della cabina ..3 torrette binate per la difesa e carico da 5 tonnellate (10x500kg) ... Puntamento tedesco
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Wingspan of 38 meters (7 more than the B-17) ... 4 engines [Piaggio] P.XII RC 100 ... plus a DB605 only for the cigarette lighter and the pressurization of the cabin ..3 twin turrets for the defense and loading from 5 tons (10x500kg) ... German gunnery control

I suspect that the DB605-driven compressor supercharged the engines as well as pressurizing the cockpit. It looks like German HZ-Anlage equipment, as used on the Hs130E and Do317. In fact, with its Germanic remote armament, the project looks rather like an entrant in the German Bomber-B competition.