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Eurotrainer: Alphajet Proposals
« on: April 06, 2006, 10:58:02 pm »
Just a couple of drawings showing two jet trainers proposed for the German/French trainer programme.

Dassault Bregeut TA-501
VFW-Fokker T-291

They are a bit Scratchy  anyone got better?

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Re: Eurotrainer: Alphajet Proposals
« Reply #1 on: May 01, 2006, 10:49:44 am »
VFW-Fokker VF T291

Projected powerplants included Larzac, J85-GE-4, and JT15D-3, and optional afterburning engines permitting low supersonic speeds.

Span: 8.05m
Length: 11.795m
Height: 3.785m

Landing speed: less than 185km/h
TO/landing run: less than 500m

Source:
Flying Review International, Aug 1970
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Re: Eurotrainer: Alphajet Proposals
« Reply #2 on: May 01, 2006, 12:32:45 pm »
Aerospatiale/MBB E-650
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Re: Eurotrainer: Alphajet Proposals
« Reply #3 on: May 01, 2006, 12:33:49 pm »
Dornier/Dassault TA 501
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Re: Eurotrainer: Alphajet Proposals
« Reply #4 on: April 28, 2007, 09:31:54 am »
Interesting photo found in a pile of old photos at a local bookshop. There's also a T291 photo if anyone is interested. Dated June 1969, copyright Harry Naef.
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Re: Eurotrainer: Alphajet Proposals
« Reply #5 on: April 28, 2007, 10:53:15 am »
Dear overscan,

Sorry, I misunderstand,is the last picture for E-650 or T-291 ?.

                                                                     

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Re: Eurotrainer: Alphajet Proposals
« Reply #6 on: April 28, 2007, 11:10:02 am »
I think its a low wing version of the TA 501? Its just called "Alpha Jet" on the nose.
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Re: Eurotrainer: Alphajet Proposals
« Reply #7 on: April 29, 2007, 03:41:43 am »
Nord Aviation-Sud Aviation/Messerschmitt-Bölkow-Blohm proposed the E 650 "Eurotrainer"
Dassault-Bréguet/Dornier proposed the TA 501
VFW-Fokker proposed the T 291
The  very 1st  3 views on this topic is the 2nd E 650 proposal .

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Re: Eurotrainer: Alphajet Proposals
« Reply #8 on: April 29, 2007, 03:47:01 am »
At first the Aerospatiale-MBB E 650 was based on the Messerschmitt 462 fuselage and SN 600 Corvette business jet wing
Later it got a high tailplane
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Re: Eurotrainer: Alphajet Proposals
« Reply #9 on: April 29, 2007, 04:54:28 am »
-The Dassault-Bréguet proposal was the Br 126 shown by Overscan as full scale mock up at Le Bourget in 1969
-The Dornier proposal was the  2nd P 375 .
They merged in the TA 501 AlphaJet (I am sure you noticed 375+126=501 , dear Watson ) . TA 501 was the winner ,and with some mod was built
in France &Germany
-VFW 291 was a late hopeless proposal.
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Re: Eurotrainer: Alphajet Proposals
« Reply #10 on: April 29, 2007, 06:08:50 am »
Thanks for that, Richard. Here's Br 126 from Jean Cuny (Avions Breguet 1940-1971) and P375 from  the same.
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Re: Eurotrainer: Alphajet Proposals
« Reply #11 on: April 29, 2007, 08:55:32 am »
There's an artist rendering of the E-650 in Le fana de l'aviation, July 2004 (they explain the background of the ACF program, particularly the lack of competitors to Dassault in the ACF... first time it happened since 1910 and fundation of militayr aviation in France :) )
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Re: Eurotrainer: Alphajet Proposals
« Reply #12 on: April 29, 2007, 10:33:40 am »


  Thank you my dears for explanations.

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Re: Eurotrainer: Alphajet Proposals
« Reply #13 on: May 04, 2007, 01:57:14 am »
The E650 mockup still survives. I saw it years ago in the small aviation museum at Villingen-Schwenningen in southern Germany. Not sure if it's still there.

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Re: Eurotrainer: Alphajet Proposals
« Reply #14 on: May 04, 2007, 03:12:19 am »
Museum here:
http://www.flugplatz-schwenningen.de/mu_exponate.html

My German's pretty rubbish but it looks like its not on display any more.
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