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Re: Russian and Soviet Aircraft Carriers
« Reply #30 on: September 29, 2009, 10:13:02 pm »
Images of a Project 1123 "Kondor" concept model.  Project 1123 "Kondor" would become the Moskva-class helicopter carrier.
http://pilot.strizhi.info/photos/v/NPKB/1123/
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Re: Russian and Soviet Aircraft Carriers
« Reply #31 on: September 29, 2009, 10:19:29 pm »
Images of another Project 1123 "Kondor" concept model.
http://pilot.strizhi.info/photos/v/NPKB/1123/
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Re: Russian and Soviet Aircraft Carriers
« Reply #32 on: September 29, 2009, 10:23:48 pm »
Images of another Project 1123 "Kondor" concept model.
http://pilot.strizhi.info/photos/v/NPKB/1123/
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Re: Russian and Soviet Aircraft Carriers
« Reply #33 on: September 29, 2009, 10:35:55 pm »
Images of a Project 11780 concept model. Project 11780 is also known as "Ivan Tarawa."
http://pilot.strizhi.info/photos/v/NPKB/11780/
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Re: Russian and Soviet Aircraft Carriers
« Reply #34 on: September 29, 2009, 10:37:51 pm »
Additional images of a Project 11780 concept model.

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Re: Russian and Soviet Aircraft Carriers
« Reply #35 on: September 29, 2009, 10:45:23 pm »
Additional images of Project 11780 concept model.

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Re: Russian and Soviet Aircraft Carriers
« Reply #36 on: September 29, 2009, 10:49:26 pm »
Images of a Project 1153 "Orel" concept model.

Project 1153 "Orel" was a 1970s-era Soviet program to give the Soviet Navy a true blue water aviation capability. The ship would have been about 75-80,000 tons displacement, with a nuclear power plant and carried about 70 aircraft launched via steam catapults. It was cancelled as being too expensive and a reduced version of 60,000 tons and fifty aircraft was proposed. This was also turned down for cost reasons.

"Orel" would have resulted in a program very similar to the aircraft carriers available to the U.S. Navy. While the project never saw fruition, it later resulted in the abortive Ulyanovsk program. The name "Orel" means "Eagle," The Russians named all of their major warship classes after birds.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_1153_OREL

http://pilot.strizhi.info/photos/v/NPKB/1153/
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Re: Russian and Soviet Aircraft Carriers
« Reply #37 on: September 29, 2009, 10:57:25 pm »
Images of a Project 1143.7 "Orel" concept model or Ul'yanovsk-class heavy aircraft-carrying cruiser.

Ul'yanovsk was the first of a class of Soviet supercarriers which, for the first time, would have offered true blue water aviation capability for the Soviet Navy. This was based upon the 1975 Project 1153 "Orel" (which never went beyond blueprints), and the initial commissioned name was to be Kremlin, but was later given the name Ul'yanovsk,[2] after the Soviet town of Ul'yanovsk, which was in turn named after Vladimir Lenin's original name.

She would have been 85,000 tons in displacement, or more than the older Forrestal-class carriers, but smaller than contemporary Nimitz class carriers of the U.S. Navy. Ulyanovsk would have been able to carry the full range of fixed-wing carrier aircraft, as opposed to the limited scope in which Admiral Kuznetsov makes aircraft available, by way of a ski jump. The configuration would have been very similar to U.S. Navy carriers, though with the typical Soviet twist of adding ASM and SAM launchers. Her hull was laid down in 1988, but the project was cancelled, (at 40% complete) along with a sister ship, in 1991 after the end of the Cold War. Scrapping began on February 4, 1992.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_aircraft_carrier_Ulyanovsk


Designer: Nevskoye Planning and Design Bureau
Builder: Nikolayev South
Length: 1065 feet overall
995 feet waterline
Flight Deck Width: 248.5 feet
Beam: 130.6 feet
Draft:   35.4 feet
Displacement: 79,758 tons Full Load
60,000 tons Standard
Propulsion: PWR nuclear reactors
4 turbines 240,000 shp
Endurance
Max Speed   30+ knots
Crew   2,300 Navy
1,500 Naval Air
Armament
6 x 30mm/65 AK 630
24 VLS ADAM launchers w/192 RZ-130 Kinzhal/Klinok/SA-N-9 Gauntlet missiles
8 CADS-N-1/Kortik each with 1 twin 30mm Gatlingcombined w/ 256 3M-88/SA-N-11 Grison
12 cell VLS installed under the upper deckw/12 P-500 Granit/SS-N-19 Shipwreck missiles
2 RPK-5/Udav-1 Liven integrated ASW

Countermeasures   
Sozbezie-BR suite
Wine Glass intercept
Bell Push intercept
Flat Track
Bell Nip
Cross Loop D/F

 Radar
Air/Surface Search MR-710 Fregat-MA/Top Plate 3D
 2 MR-320M Topaz/Strut Pair 2D

Navigation
3 Palm Frond Fire Control
 4 MR-360 Podkat/Cross Sword SA-N-9 control
 8 3P37/Hot Flash SA-N-11 control

Aircraft Control
 Fly Trap B
 
Sonar
Zvezda-2 suite
MGK-345 Bronza/Ox Yoke hull mounted

Aircraft
70 aircraft total 27 Su-27K Flankers
10 Su-25 Frogfoots
Yak-44 radar picket aircraft
 15-20 helicopters

Laid Down: November 25, 1988
Scrapped: February 4, 1992.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/1143_7-specs.htm

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Re: Russian and Soviet Aircraft Carriers
« Reply #38 on: September 29, 2009, 10:59:54 pm »
Additional images of a Project 1143.7 "Orel" concept model or Ul'yanovsk-class.
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Re: Russian and Soviet Aircraft Carriers
« Reply #39 on: September 29, 2009, 11:08:32 pm »
Proposed full-carrier conversion of Baku later renamed Admiral Gorshkov.
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Re: Russian and Soviet Aircraft Carriers
« Reply #40 on: September 30, 2009, 07:55:04 am »
I don't know why the Russian Navy would want to buy a Mistral when Project 11780 there looks like a sound design ???  Oh and thanks for the images.

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Re: Russian and Soviet Aircraft Carriers
« Reply #41 on: September 30, 2009, 02:13:20 pm »
 I want to know the current status of the next generation of Russian carrier,are they already building it?
 Is it nuclear or conventionally powered?
I hope somone has some info

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Re: Russian and Soviet Aircraft Carriers
« Reply #42 on: September 30, 2009, 03:37:44 pm »
Couple of points:

What is the missile launcher in the A and C positions on the first few images, looks kind of like a Roland style launcher with the missile being transferred to the launcher horizontally?

Given that in terms of aircraft carrier ops the Russians have the US carriers to look at - from a distance - why do they fit their aircraft carrier designs with such large islands?  Looking at the Kutzenov & Varyag they have a fantastically design sleek hull, and then this huge ugly lump of an island, what is in that island surely it can't just be because of the electronics?

The "Ivan Tarawa" looks to have evolved from the Kiev class?  Are there any stats on her?  Also it looks more like she has a stern ramp; ro-ro style, rather than a docking well?  I have to agree with Creative why order the Mistral when they have a baseline design - particularly as the Mistrals are one of the unattractive ships ever built - it looks to me like a large chunk missing from ahead of the island.

I just also want it noted that I do like the aesthetic qualities of most Russian/Soviet warships particularly hull designs, sometimes the upperworks get a little out of hand - as with the carriers.

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Re: Russian and Soviet Aircraft Carriers
« Reply #43 on: October 01, 2009, 06:27:12 am »
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What is the missile launcher in the A and C positions on the first few images, looks kind of like a Roland style launcher with the missile being transferred to the launcher horizontally?

It's a prototype launcher for M-11 SAM system (SA-N-3 Goblet)

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Re: Russian and Soviet Aircraft Carriers
« Reply #44 on: October 01, 2009, 11:55:42 am »
The "Ivan Tarawa" looks to have evolved from the Kiev class?  Are there any stats on her? 

Specifications are provided earlier in this topic:
http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,1948.msg17615.html#msg17615