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SO Geret must be: SO Gerät - selbst opfer -Self sacrifying device.

Deutsche Geheimwaffen 1939-1945.
Fritz Hann. Erich Hoffmann Verlag.Heidenheim.1963. u.a.
 

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Hi guys,

I have this projects pounding my mind for several years, without perspective to have them revealed:

Arado Radial Engined Fighter - Refered by Rudiger Kosin in "The German Fighter since 1915", a response to the soviet Polikarpov I-16, around 1938/39.

1940 project for a carrier-borne torpedo bomber sporting a single DB601, refered by Jorg Armin-Kranzhoff in his book "Die Arado-Flugzeuge: Vom Doppeldecker zum Strahlflugzeug". Does anyone knows more on these?

I wonder if the book from Volker Koos mentions these projects.
 

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Hi, guys,

I guess this projects are really secret. No one has the Volker Koos book "Arado Flugzeugwerke"»?

Kosin says in his book of the radial engined fighter project: "We then proceeded to draw up a german version ( after inspectiong the "Rata", my note) - a fighter with the air-cooled fourteen-cylinder BMW radial engine ( BMW 139). The aircraft did look something like the the later Focke-Wulf Fw190".
He adds that Walter Blume, as well as the LC II office ( aircraft development ) of the RLM were not enthusiastic, especially regarding the speed given by Kosin ( and I believe Nes): 600-650 km/h.

Bye.
 

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I have the book "Arado, history of an aircraft company" (J. Kranzhoff, Schiffer pub., 1997). Do you know it or should I check something inside?
 

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Hi Tophe,

many thanks for your reply.I would appreciate that, althoug I think it is just an earlier version of the one I have from the same author. Anyhow, congratulations on your great work on the "fântomes fourchus".

Best regards,

Wurger
 

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Hi Tophe,

thanks anyway. I have another challenge for you guys:

what about the Arado E380? It was a Ar 196 on steroids ( BMW 801, heavier armament ). Does anyone have a drawing, or other technical specifications?

Bye.
 

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Hi everyone,

on the Arado E 380, from "Secret German Aircraft Projects of 1945", Toros Publications, 1997, p.24:

" A low-wing floatplane with faired float attachments intended to replace the Ar196 and powered either by one As402, one BMW 323R-2, or one BMW 801A engine. There are two versions, one armed like the Ar196, the other with 2xMG151/20 (front)+1xMG131(rear)".

From "German Aircraft of the Second World War", Smith/Kay, Putnam, 1972, p.727:
"Floatplane development of Ar196 with folding wings, one 1600hp BMW 801A"

My german is still sketchy, but Kranzhoff`s latest book on Arado refered to a projected started in 1942, closely related to the aerodinamically improved ( with bigger twin floats and already with MG151 ) Ar196 C, intended as a carrier plane ( traegerversion ), with better protection and armament. An Argus As411 was to power this bird at 383km/h. Project of 1943.

Some of this data does not match entirelly, but it would be interesting to know more on the Ar196C and the Ar E380.
 

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Hi,


here is the Arado E.390;


http://www.flying-things.ch/air46/Are390.jpg
 

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Hi Hesham,

not exactly what I had in mind... ;)
 

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Topics merged.

Here is the Arado E 580, the company's proposal for the "Volksjäger" competition (from the MBI book on the He 162).

The E 580 concept was quite similar to the winning proposal from Heinkel, however, it was a low-wing aircraft with significantly higher technological demands.
 

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Hi,


here is from Waffen-Arsenal 56,the Arado Ar.240 fitted with jet engine.
 

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Hi,


here is the first prototype for Arado Ar.240,please note the location of the cockpit,it
was over the wing center-section.
 

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Hi,


from Luftfahrt 3/1980,here is the landing gear system for Arado TEW 16/43-13
and TEW 16/43-15 projects.
 

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From Projekt, Kleinst-Jager report,


here is the Ardao E.580 drawing with some details.
 

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Hi,


here is a report about Arado Ar.232 and Ar.432.


http://www.deutscheluftwaffe.de/archiv/Dokumente/ABC/a/Arado/Ar%20232/Kurzbaubeschreibung%20Ar%20232-B%20Ar%20432.pdf
 

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Interesting document, many thanks indeed !

Just a side note, but I recently got an issue of Flugzeug Classic (Special 5), featuring an article
about the Ar 232 and one point caught my eye: The landing gear. Most photos and drawings
(in that document, too) show the main wheels and the nose wheel on the same level with the
row of small supporting wheels under the belly. But actually the landing gear already was lowered
then. When fully extended, the supporting wheels had no contact to the ground, as can be seen
on the attached photo from the mentioned mag.
 

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Many thanks to you my dears Skyblazer and Jemiba,


and anther file;


http://www.deutscheluftwaffe.de/archiv/Dokumente/ABC/a/Arado/Ar%20232/Vergleichsstudie%20Ar%20432.pdf
 

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My understanding was that the Arados used the conventional tricycle gear for takeoffs and landings, and lowered themselves onto the multiple small tires for loading/unloading, and manuevering on less than ideal surfaces for said loading/unloading.
 

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Bill Walker said:
My understanding was that the Arados used the conventional tricycle gear for takeoffs and landings, and lowered themselves onto the multiple small tires for loading/unloading, and manuevering on less than ideal surfaces for said loading/unloading.

Honestly, I haven't thought about it before and most documents show it lowered to the auxiliary wheels.
But take-off/landing certainly only were possible with the legs fully extended.
 

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From; Secret Nazi Aircraft 1939 -1945 Luftwaffe's Advanced Aircraft Projects


it's the first time to know that,the Arado Project II,had a V-tail early variant ?!.
 

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And I don't understand,


there was a V-tail variant or not ?.
 

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And what about Arado Ar-440? Was this plane ever built? Some drawings can be found, bud no photos ...
 

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Felda said:
And what about Arado Ar-440? Was this plane ever built? Some drawings can be found, bud no photos ...


Hi Felda,


yes,it was built,and here is its picture and drawing.
 

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Hi all.
I'm back. Added a few old profile plates.


Cheers
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Oh flying wing aircraft. It's breathtaking. Is this a dinosaur of an undiscovered new kind? ;D
I can't find vertical tail stabilizer. :eek:
justo-san, do you know this design?
I can see complicated wing plan view, radar, foreward 4 cannons, rear 2 cannons, 2 jet engines, two seats(perhaps side by side forward looking two seats and side/backward looking one seat), landing gears, fuel tanks and 2 rectangler engine air intake located wing root leading edge.
Three seats night/bad weather interceptor?

Can you see Schräge Musik between jet engines?
 

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Wow--really impressive. Looks to be outfitted w. the usual HeS011 engines.
 

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blackkite said:
Oh flying wing aircraft. It's breathtaking. Is this a dinosaur of an undiscovered new kind? ;D
I can't find vertical tail stabilizer. :eek:
justo-san, do you know this design?

Isn't this "P.1"? If so it may have small triangular stabilisers on the wing (just outboard of the images).
 

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Beautiful plane!

Similar to Project 1., but different air intakes and engines, and no vertical tail stabilizer!
 

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