UK SST projects

[blackkite]

http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,8536.msg75948.html#msg75948

 

[hesham]

http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,8536.msg75948.html#msg75948

Sorry for this double post,but I used search for PD-22 and find nothing ?.

 

[RAP]

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[LowObservable]

"I say, Captain - number 32's running a little rough."

"32? On which side?"

Remarkably, the dateline is around a decade before LSD meant something other than money in London. They did it all on G&Ts. Where did we get such men?

 

[Rickshaw]

One should never allow engine manufacturers to design aircraft. It only leads to excessive use of their own products, rather than building something bigger and more useful. Just as you should never allow airframe manufacturers to design engines. It usually doesn't work out very well.

 

[youROKer]

Looking for additional information about this project. It seems to be UK VTOL SST.

 

[hesham]

Looking for additional information about this project. It seems to be UK VTOL SST.

What is the source for it ?.

 

[Orionblamblam]

Looking for additional information about this project. It seems to be UK VTOL SST.

It's a 1957 Royal Aircraft Establishment concept for a one-man Mach 5 VTOL "Minimal Aircraft." Chris Gibson wrote about it in issue V3N5 of Aerospace Projects Review. It could be scaled up to transport 20 passengers.

 

[youROKer]

It's a 1957 Royal Aircraft Establishment concept for a one-man Mach 5 VTOL "Minimal Aircraft." Chris Gibson wrote about it in issue V3N5 of Aerospace Projects Review. It could be scaled up to transport 20 passengers.

Thank you so much!

 

[robunos]

Chris Gibson wrote about it in issue V3N5 of Aerospace Projects Review.

V3N5 ??? When was that published? The last edition of APR I have is V3N4, as shown on your site, or would this be one of the print editions, which I don't have . . .


cheers,
Robin.

 

[Orionblamblam]

V3N5 ??? When was that published?

Probably something like 15 years ago...

 

[CJGibson]

Earlier I think. Scott learned what 'pear-shaped' means.

To paraphrase Ken Campbell, not the maddest design study in the world, but 'king close.

It was a fur-covered, ramjet-powered, convertible wing, M=5, VTOL aircraft whose rotor hub combined starter motor and generator, had a flexible fuel tank/heat shield, clamshell fuselage and when it all went pear-shaped, it converted into a lifeboat with one clamshell as the hull and the other raised as a sail

I did think it was some chief designer's equivalent of sending an apprentice for a long stand/verbal consent form/bucket of steam/tartan paint. (Or the key to the V-door, Schneiderman)

I must look up the date. You never know!

Chris

 

[Schneiderman]

 

[Grey Havoc]

Can anybody ID this Vickers design? The design was found by the grandson of the the Vickers VC-10 designer Maurice Wilmer. See the post https://www.facebook.com/groups/169302970269659/permalink/255000198366602/?comment_id=255099068356715&notif_id=1514510427289473&notif_t=group_comment_follow:

 

[sienar]

Higher res

 

[Nick Sumner]

Earlier I think. Scott learned what 'pear-shaped' means.

To paraphrase Ken Campbell, not the maddest design study in the world, but 'king close.

It was a fur-covered, ramjet-powered, convertible wing, M=5, VTOL aircraft whose rotor hub combined starter motor and generator, had a flexible fuel tank/heat shield, clamshell fuselage and when it all went pear-shaped, it converted into a lifeboat with one clamshell as the hull and the other raised as a sail

I did think it was some chief designer's equivalent of sending an apprentice for a long stand/verbal consent form/bucket of steam/tartan paint. (Or the key to the V-door, Schneiderman)

I must look up the date. You never know!

Chris

I have to ask; 'fur covered'?

 

[CJGibson]

Yes. Fur-covered. Like a sea lion. Would I lie to you?

Chris

 

[galgot]

I think it was thought for the X-15 external tanks, but considered much too indecent for the small advantages it could bring.

 

[Archibald]

Earlier I think. Scott learned what 'pear-shaped' means.

To paraphrase Ken Campbell, not the maddest design study in the world, but 'king close.

It was a fur-covered, ramjet-powered, convertible wing, M=5, VTOL aircraft whose rotor hub combined starter motor and generator, had a flexible fuel tank/heat shield, clamshell fuselage and when it all went pear-shaped, it converted into a lifeboat with one clamshell as the hull and the other raised as a sail

I did think it was some chief designer's equivalent of sending an apprentice for a long stand/verbal consent form/bucket of steam/tartan paint. (Or the key to the V-door, Schneiderman)

I must look up the date. You never know!

Chris

as we say in French (quoting Jacques Prévert "inventory" poems" ... et un raton laveur (everything and the kitchen sink, plus a rackoon)

 

[Nick Sumner]

Yes. Fur-covered. Like a sea lion. Would I lie to you?

Chris

Could it balance a ball on its nose?

 

[hesham]

From Ali Nuove 9/1961,

I can't ID this Project.

 

[Schneiderman]

Handley Page concept. See post #76

 

[hesham]

Handley Page concept. See post #76

Also reply # 13,thanks.

 

[hesham]

From L+K 17/1970,

here is a mystery,it was a supersonic transport Project,designed by
Miles company,and we know the number 116 was missing from the
designation series,so I maybe it was M-116 ?.

 

[CiTrus90]

From L+K 17/1970,

here is a mystery,it was a supersonic transport Project,designed by Miles company,and we know the
number 116 was missing from the designation series,so I maybe it was M-116 ?.

It's the Miles SST from 1943, not sure if we have a designation number though (?).

https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/miles-tandem-wing-projects.3585/#post-103371

 

[zebedee]

Unnamed project from the Winter 1958 Handley Page Bulletin that appears to owe a considerable amount to HPs submission to OR.330...

Zeb

 

[Bazinga]

Unnamed project from the Winter 1958 Handley Page Bulletin that appears to owe a considerable amount to HPs submission to OR.330...

Zeb

Hey Martin,

We already found this to be the civil version of the HP100 https://www.facebook.com/groups/169302970269659/

 

[zebedee]

Apologies... I should have added the info in...!

Zeb

 

[hesham]

From Aeroplane Monthly 8/2019.

 

[hesham]

From Krila 3/1987.

 

[hesham]

From L+K 7/1994,

in the second drawing,of course it was not Bristol-198,but what was it ?.

 

[hesham]

Hi,

please look to the lower drawings only.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1241883096363999234

 

[galgot]

Is there a scalepan of this beauty somewhere ?

 

[hesham]

From Aeroplane Monthly 2003/12.

 

[TsrJoe]

Is there a scalepan of this beauty somewhere ?

 

[galgot]

Thank you !

 

[hesham]

From; Concorde (Crowood Press).

 

[hesham]

Oh well, fun while it lasted. Anyway, this is a Handley Page SST and, like the Vickers design, I've no idea what its designation is. It was based on a Hawker Siddeley design (the accompanying HP report acknowledges this).

Maybe it was HP.121 ?.

 

[hesham]

I note that,

for EE proposal,there was P.30N and P.30M ?.

 

[hesham]

From Flieger Revue 5/1977,


here is the BAC Mach-3 hydrogen fueled double deck supersonic transport aircraft
project,it had ogee-wing,low cockpit and a large tail fin,powered may be by four
engined and could carry 500 passenger,did we speak about it before,it's shape
is familiar.

From, Faster Than Sound The Story of Supersonic Flight.