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pometablava said:
While reading Steven Zaloga's "The Kremlin's Nuclear Sword" I found another interesting ship which is absent from my books: Project 11570 (NATO: Sadko). The 11570 role was to reload the 941 Akula SSBN with R-39 SLBM at sea. My Google search yields neither info not drawings/pictures.

Can anybody post some info and/or picture?. Is that a unbuilt design or not?

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Aleksandr Brykin ('Sadko' class) ballistic missile transport (1 ship)
(Project 11570)

Displacement: 11,440 tons full load
Dimensions: 159.07 x 23 x 5.48 meters/521.8 x 75.5 x 18 feet
Propulsion: Diesel-electric, 2 diesels, 2 shafts, 12,000 bhp, 16.5 knots
Crew: 148
Cargo: 16 SS-N-20 SLBM; 2902 cubic meters other cargo
Radar: Fregat-MA/Half Plate-A 3-D air search
EW: Bell Shroud intercept, Bell Squat jammer, 2 PK-16 decoy RL, 2 PK-10 decoy RL
Armament: 4 30 mm AA, 2 SA-N-8 SAM position, 1 MRG-14 grenade launcher
Concept/Program: Large missile transport intended to support 'Typhoon' class SSBNs. Missiles are stored vertically and lifted by a 125-ton crane.

Classification: Unknown.

Builders: United Admiralty SY, St. Petersburg

Name Year FLT Homeport Notes
Aleksandr Brykin 1987 NOR
 

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Re: Sadko class (Project 11570)

pometablava said:
While reading Steven Zaloga's "The Kremlin's Nuclear Sword" I found another interesting ship which is absent from my books: Project 11570 (NATO: Sadko). The 11570 role was to reload the 941 Akula SSBN with R-39 SLBM at sea. My Google search yields neither info not drawings/pictures.

Can anybody post some info and/or picture?. Is that a unbuilt design or not?

Thanks in advance.

BTW while "googling" I found that monumental books which is well out of my economical possibilities but I think could be of interest to someone interested about the Russian Navy. Some unbuilt projects are included.

Ships
http://www.orteh.com/eng/products/catalogue/books/06.php

Naval Weapons
http://www.orteh.com/eng/products/catalogue/books/03.php


She was actually constructed. But only 1 ship in her class.
 

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rousseau said:
For counter Ticonderoga Class, Soviet also want a new class fighting ship which could be build in scores. Afterall, the Kirov class is too expensive. So here we see a new class that looks nuch similar with Ticonderoga.

Project 10210 Bizon Large ASW ship
Project 10230 Tur
Project 64 missile cruiser
Project-85 CV
MerKury CV
Delphyn 2K CV
Delphyn 3K CV

what specs, armaments and sensors has it?
 

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Soviet aircraft and helo carrier projects - lots of images including a large catamaran ASW helo carrier. Don' forget check out the photo gallery linked at the bottom of the entry:

http://pilot.strizhi.info/2008/04/09/5309#more-5309
 
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hey that catamaran designs there on Paralay's site as well.There was some talk of the six new carriers being based on that design.
 

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Trident said:
Soviet aircraft and helo carrier projects - lots of images including a large catamaran ASW helo carrier. Don' forget check out the photo gallery linked at the bottom of the entry:

http://pilot.strizhi.info/2008/04/09/5309#more-5309

Thanks, good find! Finally some photos in decent resolution of the Pr.1143.6, 1153 and 11780 models, among others.
 

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Excellant site, still a storey to be told about soviet aircraft carrier development. I saw some work by gollevainen, on the early history - and he talked about a follow up article.
 

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Trident said:
Soviet aircraft and helo carrier projects - lots of images including a large catamaran ASW helo carrier. Don' forget check out the photo gallery linked at the bottom of the entry:

http://pilot.strizhi.info/2008/04/09/5309#more-5309

The model confirms that Project 10200 featured anchor and mooring gear on the forward portion of flight deck and absolutely no sign of a single elevator - very odd.
 

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The present day Russian Navy could certainly have used some of these.

Project 1077 Squadron Radar Picket Ship (what would have been known in the West as a Area Air Defense cruiser). Like it's western counterpart, the Ticonderoga class cruiser, it would have doubled as a command ship, although it would have been built in far smaller numbers (initial requirement was for 4 units, one per fleet):


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Initial design - 1970.


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Updated 1077 design - 1977.


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Carrier (arsenal ship) type variant - 1980.

Source and futher details: http://www.atrinaflot.narod.ru/2_mainclassships/02_rld_1077/0_1077.htm

Babelfish translation: http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_url?doit=done&tt=url&intl=1&fr=bf-home&trurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.atrinaflot.narod.ru%2F&lp=ru_en&btnTrUrl=Translate [click on "Unrealized design of 1077 squadron radar picket ships (staff of ship- helicopter carriers) 1970- X yr".]
 

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Warship International has started the first of a 3-4 part history of Soviet post-WWII naval development including proposed but unbuilt ships. The first part ran in a recent issue and (I'm too lazy at the moment to look it up) covered the period up to around 1961. I think they're going in essentially 10-year segments. They are also going to do an article on the Kirov battlecruisers (one of my favorites). Unfortunately, they announced this last fall and they didn't immediately jump into the series. The journal is quarterly, so you can wait awhile to get the next issue.

http://www.warship.org/

http://www.warship.org/wi.htm

The multi-part series is (I think--again, lazy) a translation of a Russian series. Unfortunately, unlike aviation, the history of Soviet naval planning and shipbuilding has been very slow to get translated for the West. There are tons of great books on Cold War era aircraft, but very little on the naval side available in the West.
 

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Akula said:
Hello
Just trawling through the pictures on my hard drive and found these. Apologies if they have been posted here before.

Cheers


Hi Akula


Did the key for these drawings label the aircraft?


thanks.
 

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Northerndancer:

The fighter-type aircraft are pretty clearly Yak-41M/Yak-141. The prop job looks to be Yak-44 minus the radar dome (so either COD or ASW variants).
 

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stashandr said:
CGN project 1293
0_be357_e7295e79_L.jpg

I've seen this model before. I think it is actually supposed to be one of the versions of Project 1165 "Fugas".

I will check and post confirmation or correction!

B)
 

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This?
http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,8284.msg73363.html#msg73363
 

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Regarding the situation in the early '90s, just before the Soviet Union disintegrated, this may be of some interest:
http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a245642.pdf
 

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M. A. Rozon said:
Cool! Thank you!

Bigger Guns, MORE POWER!

I do my best.

Here's a handy overview of the Soviet Navy: http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a248966.pdf
 

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This picture of a proposed destroyer design from before WWII was posted on the Warship Projects forum a few years back..
 

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I posted that one there. Despite its from an old soviet (printed in 40s IRC) book, I highly doupt its anything related to soviet project.
 

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An old (1988) CIA assessment on the Soviet Navy's plans for WIGs, especially the Utka (Lun) and Orlan (Orlyonok) classes, in the 1990s:
 

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Grey Havoc said:
An old (1988) CIA assessment on the Soviet Navy's plans for WIGs, especially the Utka (Lun) and Orlan (Orlyonok) classes, in the 1990s:

Still soo much censor you can't really have a good look at it!
 

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Tzoli said:
Grey Havoc said:
An old (1988) CIA assessment on the Soviet Navy's plans for WIGs, especially the Utka (Lun) and Orlan (Orlyonok) classes, in the 1990s:

Still soo much censor you can't really have a good look at it!

The big deletions are almost certainly high-resolution reconnaissance satellite photos.

There's a neat story behind CIA assessment of the WIG. Some of it has been told in public, but in different places.
 

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Gentleman do we know of any drawings or models of the Project 667 SSGN intended for deployment and launching of the Beriev
P-100??
Also any drawings or models of Project 679 SSBN based on Project 671 SSN (NATO: Victor I) carring R-27 SLBM??

Would be very intriguing to view!

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Pioneer said:
Gentleman do we know of any drawings or models of the Project 667 SSGN intended for deployment and launching of the Beriev
P-100??
Also any drawings or models of Project 679 SSBN based on Project 671 SSN (NATO: Victor I) carring R-27 SLBM??

Would be very intriguing to view!

Regards
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Project 679: No drawing I've found.

Which Project 667 design you talking about? As there are quite a few!

Project 667 (???): Yankee I class nuclear-powered ballistic missile submarine design with SS-N-5 Sark missiles
Project 667A (1964): Yankee I class nuclear-powered ballistic missile submarine
Project 667AK (1979): Modified Yankee I class nuclear-powered sensor testbed submarine
Project 667AM (1977): Yankee II class ballistic missile submarine
Project 667AN (???): Yankee I class nuclear-powered underwater geophysical laboratory design
Project 667AU (1974): Modernized Yankee I class ballistic missile submarine
Project 667AT (1983): Yankee I class Notch attack submarine conversion
Project 667B (1970): Delta I class nuclear-powered ballistic missile submarine
Project 667BD (1973): Delta II class nuclear-powered ballistic missile submarine
Project 667BDR (1974): Delta III class nuclear-powered ballistic missile submarine
Project 667BDRM (1981): Delta IV class nuclear-powered ballistic missile submarine
Project 667M (1979): Yankee class Sidecar guided missile submarine
Project 667MV (???): Modernized Yankee class Sidecar guided missile submarine design
Project 667SP (???): Modernized Yankee I class nuclear-powered ballistic missile submarine design
Project 667V (???): Yankee class ballistic missile submarine design with SS-N-13 Missiles
 

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Tzoli said:
Project 667V (???): Yankee class ballistic missile submarine design with SS-N-13 Missiles

Any details on that one would be interesting. The original antiship ballistic missile.
 

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Via Gollevainen over at Shipbucket, a nice drawing of the Project 12441 Grom SKR (Storozhevoi Korabl' Raketnyi [Patrol Ship]), in other words a light escort frigate:

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Project 10210 Bizon Large ASW ship, design by Severnoye PKB from 1977 till 1981. St. displacement 5000t, speed 50 knots.
Project 10230 Tur SKR, design by Zelenodolsky PKB in 1983, St. displacement 1600t, speed 55 knots.

Regarding the Bizon: http://www.shipbucket.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=6847
 

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Regarding the Soviet Ekranoplan program & spinoffs, a few images:

http://www.darkroastedblend.com/2007/05/ekranoplans-showcase.html
http://www.darkroastedblend.com/2009/06/ekranoplans-showcase-part-2.html
 

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tanki-na-vode-13-foto_10.jpg

https://civilianmilitaryintelligencegroup.com/13054/military-hydrofoil-development

A hydrofoil tank landing craft design from circa 1960.
 

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Interesting, don't think I've ever seen that before.

I'm curious though how you beach a hydrofoil? Probably only useful in high tides.
 

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I believe it was supposed to use a long extendable reinforced ramp, a bit like some armoured bridgelayers.
 

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I think this is early concept art for Project 80, which seems to be an extension of other Soviet tank float concepts where there are separate pontoons that basically wrap around the vehicle and provide both floatation and propulsion. In this case, there are two boats, with retractable hydrofoils, that attach to either side of the tank. The front foil could retract vertically into the boat hull, but there is no ramp.

This article (in Russian) has some images of related concepts.

https://topwar.ru/74-tank-na-podvodnyx-krylyax.html
 

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