CLEARANCE: Above Top Secret
- May 26, 2006
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Great find hesham. The engine nozzle layout on the P.1509 is also like the Pegasus four poster nozzles.hesham said:From Авиация и Космонавтика 9/2015,
here is a SAAB Projects 37-1,P.1500-01 & P.1509,the later concept was very similar to
A more Info about it;Apophenia said:IPMS Stockholm hasa Swedish what-if discussion but P1642-06 seems to have been real ... a part of projekt/studie 'Flygplan 80'hesham said:nice find,but are you sure it's real design ?,it looks like Fairchild/Republic A-10.
"SAAB Project: 1642-06 FLP Klass B3LM, drawing from December in 1974. During B3LA epoch designed it actually an A-10-like draft, entitled 1642-06, class B3LM. Length around 12 m, span around 11 meters, 2 J-85 engines (the same as in the SAAB 105Ö)."
https://kplanes.tumblr.com/post/134991029380/k-planes-episode-89-saabThe Soviet invasion of Czechoslovakia in 1968 would spark a wave of panic among Swedish military planners, spurring Saab to begin a new round of design studies for attack aircraft. Under a program known as B3LM, Saab aimed to create a lightweight attacker to supplement the Viggen. The most publicized of these design studies, the P.1642, would end up looking alarmingly similar to the American A-10. Though significantly smaller and lacking a gun, Saab’s B3LM design shared the characteristic twin-tail and widely-spaced engines of the A-10. The nose seems to be configured for some kind of sensors, and five underwing hardpoints (one on either side of the main landing gear and one centerline) were planned in addition to wingtip rails for AIM-9s. A radar was not planned to be installed on the design in hopes of keeping costs low. Power was to come from two compact Rolls Royce RB 401 high-bypass turbofans, sacrificing performance and thrust for efficiency. As with most of Saab’s design studies, the P.1642 was a dead end. The B3LM program was abandoned for unknown reasons sometime in the mid-70’s as Sweden chose to focus efforts on the more advanced B3LA attacker program.
Good news Blockhaj,please send those drawings,but for J-24,please send it in its topic;blockhaj said:Found it laying around in a box full of J-21 blueprints. Found the J-24 in the same box.
I took a quick look at the J-24 blueprints and it was mostly interior stuff and rivets etc. I couldnt find a line drawing. I might have missed the line drawings since there was a bunch of unnamed rolls in the box. I didnt photograf it. Although i know the line drawing exist since i have found bad copies of it online. Im gonna look for it and post it in the thread.hesham said:Good news Blockhaj,please send those drawings,but for J-24,please send it in its topic;blockhaj said:Found it laying around in a box full of J-21 blueprints. Found the J-24 in the same box.
That's new for me,and goof work from Blockhaj.JFC Fuller said:Apparently, until 1982 the Garrett (now Honeywell) TFE1042 was a candidate for the JAS-39, that being the case there must be a drawing somewhere of a twin-engined Gripen featuring a pair of the engines?
That will be nice if you send them Blockhaj.blockhaj said:I can do some digging. The B3 if after the wiggen should eefer to either a prop trainer/aerobatics plane, the Saab 38, Saab 2000 or Gripen which are the known projects saab did after the Viggen, there are more but these are the ones i know got fairly deep into development.
Most of the sources had already been displayed earlier in this thread although some of them where in Swedish so i thought i could clarify. Since the Saab 38 is still sort of classified as its still a project which they could build, sort of like Strv 2000 there is still a lot of info which could be discovered. The B3LM though seems to have never went beyond maybe a few days of work. Seing as there should exist B3LA to atleast M there where probably a lot of paper designs made.hesham said:Can you display them dear Blockhaj ?,and thanks.
here is a drawing to SAAB-29R Project with a more capability radar.
Here a scan showing a Saab J29D with a radar, which soon later became the project Saab J29R.hesham said:Hi Basil,
here is the source directly,you can find all info;
Secondary source: https://flic.kr/p/C5Arswdizzyfugu said:Sweden is a prolific whiffing territory, and the Saab 29 offers some interesting options. The all-weather Tunnan was a real Saab project, and things actually got as far as the aforementioned radome shape test stage. But eventually the project was fully dropped, since Saab had been busy with standard J 29 production and conversions, so that this aircraft never materialized, just as the projected side-by-side trainer Sk 29 of the same era.
However, I recently came across a nice Saab 29 book which also covers some projects – including drawings of the radar-equipped Tunnan that never was. My converted model with the thimble radome and the raked air intake is based on these drawings.[...]
fightingirish said:Secondary sources via Google picture search:
Ye, considering that it doesnt have the nose radar it think this was an attempt to create an interceptor instead of an all weather fighter. But we got air to air missiles in the early 50's so this conversion wasnt needed. The creation of the Saab 32 also lead to the cancellation of the J29R as it was a superior all weather fighter.hesham said:A clearer view,thank you dear Blockhaj,
and the lower drawing is new for me.