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Well done my dear Zeroc.
 

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Years ago i made several art work about the Santangelo heavy fighter called also "Sturmovino" for the better know Russian Sturmovik, because can do ground attack with the cannon under belly.
 

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Ing. Celestino Rosatelli very well Know for the previous biplane family fighters, also projected a heavy fighter/bomber the FIAT CR.44 planned around the 2,400 hp (1,790 kW) FIAT A.44 engine capable to power a contra-rotating propellers solution. The A.44 X-32 engine never was built, so nor the CR.44.
 

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Wow,many thanks my dear MC72.
 

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I really do hope the do an Italian or Axis secret projects at sometime.
 

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MC72 said:
Years ago i made several art work about the Santangelo heavy fighter called also "Sturmovino" for the better know Russian Sturmovik, because can do ground attack with the cannon under belly.
italian bf 110? ;D
 

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From Aerofan 1983-2
 

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From Ailes 7/1948,

the Caproni Ca.380.
 

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Dear,
here it is the Breda 600 heavy fighter single seater project, designed in november 1938 by Mario Pittoni and Vittorio Calderini.
According to the source (Gente dell'Aria - Giorgio Evangelisti), the project was studied around 2 Isotta Fraschini Asso and it was armed with 2 machine gun of 12,7 mm.
The calculated speed was of 600 km/h.
The project, however, remained only to the papaer.
Regards.
By the way,

it was not its correct designation (Breda-600),and I think it took any of the designation Ba 80s
or 90s series.
 

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From Ali Nuove 6/1960,

the Ca.380 Corsaro and its variants ?!.
 

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Dear Friends,
here I post a 3-view of the project of an heavy fighter designed by Giovanni Galasso, who worked at the IMAM factories, and named CP.12: unfortunatly I don't know any further info about the project, but it is probably dated between 1938 and 1943 (after the italian armistice the engineer have been redeployed to Breda).
Source: "Gente dell'Aria - Vol. 5" Giorgio Evangelisti.
Best regards.
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Great work, thanks for sharing !
 

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Hi Jens!
Do you want to see 3D images?
 

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Probably not only me ! ;)
 

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I believe forthcoming "Italian Secret Project" has the answer of this mysterious fighter.
And my poor speculation will be discarded.
 

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... And my poor speculation will be discarded.
That's the fate of everybody, who dares to work on reconstructions, but as long, as there aren't better sources
available, it's the only way to get at least a speculative depiction of such a project.
Again, great work, may I ask, what software you're using ?
 

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Hi Jens. Good question!!!
I use MOI 3D version 4 beta.
I'm poor, but I could get MOI 3D version 3 spending 37,800 yen from Japanese agency.
But unfortunately version3 did not work well in my note PC.

Type : TOSHIBA dynabook T351/35EW A.C.2012 model
OS : Windows7 Home Premium 64bit
CPU : Intel Corei3-2350M, 2.3GHZ
RAM : 8GB
No graphic board

Then I got version 4 beta freely, because I'm a version3 user.
This software(version 4 beta) works surprising very well in my note PC.
I began to use this 3D modeling software from this March.
I 'm a totally beginner for CAD, but I can use this software with ease.
I strongly recommend you to try this software.   
;)

I must modify my model such as add radiator/oil cooler flap, modify tail stabilizer shape(add fillet, add rudder elevator line), etc.
Anyway BOI's boolean function is excellent.

Recent F1 drivers say that engine cooling is hard when approaching forward car.
I set MB.902 front engine left side exhaust nozzle at the wing to avoid this problem.
Front engine radiator is located ahead of exhaust nozzles and inhale fresh cold air.
 

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I modified radiator, oil cooler and tail. Enjoy.
 

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Dear Friends,
here I post a 3-view of the project of an heavy fighter designed by Giovanni Galasso, who worked at the IMAM factories, and named CP.12: unfortunatly I don't know any further info about the project, but it is probably dated between 1938 and 1943 (after the italian armistice the engineer have been redeployed to Breda).
Source: "Gente dell'Aria - Vol. 5" Giorgio Evangelisti.
Best regards.
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Probably you did notice that the CP-12 is the Ro.67.... Before receiving an official project number (Ro.XX), typically for being tendered to some Regia competition, the IMAM projects received an internal designation, that was progressive as for numbering, preceded by a two letter acronym describing the role of the aircraft. As far as I know only four of these internal designations are known: AA.10, IR.11, CP.12 and IC.13. I leave to you the matching of the designation with Ro.XX model numbers. Hint: late Ro.XX numbers went ALMOST always by the odds.
 
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Hi Jens. Good question!!!
I use MOI 3D version 4 beta.
I'm poor, but I could get MOI 3D version 3 spending 37,800 yen from Japanese agency.
But unfortunately version3 did not work well in my note PC.

Type : TOSHIBA dynabook T351/35EW A.C.2012 model
OS : Windows7 Home Premium 64bit
CPU : Intel Corei3-2350M, 2.3GHZ
RAM : 8GB
No graphic board

Then I got version 4 beta freely, because I'm a version3 user.
This software(version 4 beta) works surprising very well in my note PC.
I began to use this 3D modeling software from this March.
I 'm a totally beginner for CAD, but I can use this software with ease.
I strongly recommend you to try this software.   
;)

I must modify my model such as add radiator/oil cooler flap, modify tail stabilizer shape(add fillet, add rudder elevator line), etc.
Anyway BOI's boolean function is excellent.

Recent F1 drivers say that engine cooling is hard when approaching forward car.
I set MB.902 front engine left side exhaust nozzle at the wing to avoid this problem.
Front engine radiator is located ahead of exhaust nozzles and inhale fresh cold air.
mmm, due to aerodynamic effects, in twin radial engined aircraft with same-hand rotation engines, the right one tended to overheat. I haven't found news regarding the same effect on twin inline engined aircraft, but could be a possibility influencing the position of the radiators (actually, the most critical was the lubrificant one).
 
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Ing. Celestino Rosatelli very well Know for the previous biplane family fighters, also projected a heavy fighter/bomber the FIAT CR.44 planned around the 2,400 hp (1,790 kW) FIAT A.44 engine capable to power a contra-rotating propellers solution. The A.44 X-32 engine never was built, so nor the CR.44.
The A.44 was an H with a double motor shaft (Prof. Fessia had a fascination for coaxial propellers, even the A.38 initially had to be coaxial-propelled), not an X. Tha A.40 was an X, but was a different type of beast, using the same cylinders of the A.38 but targeted to high-altitude (re-establishment altitude 8000 mt.)
 

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Dear Friends,
here I post a 3-view of the project of an heavy fighter designed by Giovanni Galasso, who worked at the IMAM factories, and named CP.12: unfortunatly I don't know any further info about the project, but it is probably dated between 1938 and 1943 (after the italian armistice the engineer have been redeployed to Breda).
Source: "Gente dell'Aria - Vol. 5" Giorgio Evangelisti.
Best regards.
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Lucamax
Probably you did notice that the CP-12 is the Ro.67.... Before receiving an official project number (Ro.XX), typically for being tendered to some Regia competition, the IMAM projects received an internal designation, that was progressive as for numbering, preceded by a two letter acronym describing the role of the aircraft. As far as I know only four of these internal designations are known: AA.10, IR.11, CP.12 and IC.13. I leave to you the matching of the designation with Ro.XX model numbers. Hint: late Ro.XX numbers went ALMOST always by the odds.
Dear,
many thanks for your explanation! :):):)
 
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