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JFC Fuller

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A Challenger I hull was trialled with the Marconi Marksman anti-aircraft turret (pictures attached) and according to multiple publications a Challenger I hull was also trialled with the Vickers GBT 155mm turret, does anyone have any pictures of this combination? There seems to be a distinct lack of any images of this turret at all.
 

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I also found a picture of the GBT turret on a Mk 3 hull. Thought you might be interested.
 

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Marksman was bought by Finland for use on T-55 hulls IIRC.

GBT was an expensive and overly heavy solution to the SPG concept. Why have a fully MBT level armoured hull hauling around a (comparatively) light-weight turret?
 

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Kadija_Man,

Thank you for the pictures, do you happen to have the rest of the Challenger GBT brochure?

Agreed about the weight, ultimately the GBT technology was taken and put on a bespoke (and much lighter and with a much less powerful engine) chassis to become the AS90.
 

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Speaking of the Finnish Marksman turrets: http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?245310
 

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Via Tanknet: http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/land/vehicles/2016/01/16/uk-surges-ahead-challenger-2-upgrade/78841260/
 

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I don't mean to deviate off topic, but can anyone direct me to any information as to why/on what grounds the Finnish Army selected the Marksman turret system over other obvious established in-production and service proven SPAAG systems?


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For one thing, the Marksman turret meshed very well with the T-55AM chassis, I believe. The Marksman's lack of success in general resulted more from poor marketing (and some questionable decisions by the British government) than any shortcomings with the system itself. Another factor was that there were major political barriers to any procurement of the other likely candidate, the Gepard or a Gepard based system.


Didn't get around to posting this earlier.
BAE Systems sells control of vehicles arm to Rheinmetall (BBC News)

Not good, to say the least. Discussion on this over in Military: https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,31320.0.html
 
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