Boeing P-8A Poseidon (737-800EFV) MMA (Multi-mission Maritime Aircraft)

Apophenia said:
Sure, but I responding to a statement comparing physical size. So, maybe apples-to-apples but no taste test?
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The floorspace on a -800 737 is very close to any -135. If you really want the length, a -900 is longer volume much better. Electronics and all are smaller and more efficient these days, the P-8 is beyond good enough to replace a 1950's airframe.

PS. I've flown on a "special" -135's with a lot of "special" -135 aircrew...
 
Apophenia said:
Okay, so you're keen on the P-8A. What I don't recall is ever saying that measurement comparisons implied the superiority of a "special" airframe first flown before I was born. So, I guess, enjoy ...
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First, a lot of the NRE for the P-8 is already done, that's huge. I've worked certification, military and civil, the "paperwork exercise" consumes vast amounts of money. Second, the -800 platform gets to a higher altitude faster which gives a much better radar horizon which can matter for certain wavelengths. Third, two 1990's engines burn far less gas than four 1980's engines, operating costs matter these days. Finally, a 737 fuselage is based off of the 707 fuselage which is bigger than the -80, KC-135 fuselage. The extra width gives more room for equipment, operator stations, cooling, and the large fuselage compared to the biz jets used these days for the function allow for bigger, more sensitive receivers.
 
mkellytx said:
First, a lot of the NRE for the P-8 is already done, that's huge. I've worked certification, military and civil, the "paperwork exercise" consumes vast amounts of money. Second, the -800 platform gets to a higher altitude faster which gives a much better radar horizon which can matter for certain wavelengths. Third, two 1990's engines burn far less gas than four 1980's engines, operating costs matter these days. Finally, a 737 fuselage is based off of the 707 fuselage which is bigger than the -80, KC-135 fuselage. The extra width gives more room for equipment, operator stations, cooling, and the large fuselage compared to the biz jets used these days for the function allow for bigger, more sensitive receivers.
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As I noted above, the 707/727/737 148" diameter fuselage is all of 4" larger in diameter than the 144" KC-135 fuselage (actually, both are larger in diameter than the 367-80's 132" diameter fuselage).
 
BlackBat242 said:
As I noted above, the 707/727/737 148" diameter fuselage is all of 4" larger in diameter than the 144" KC-135 fuselage (actually, both are larger in diameter than the 367-80's 132" diameter fuselage).
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Indeed, no intent to ignore your contribution, merely a summary of facts already in evidence combined with a lot of flight hours in -135's and as a passenger in -800, -900, -8 Max, and -9 Max over the last two decades.
 
UK has signed a defence trade deal with Germany over stuff like the opening of a factory for tank barrel production that will use steel from Forgemasters, participation in the European Long Range Missile program, a ten year agreement on Boxer development and land based drones. Also grants the Luftwaffe occasional basing rights in Lossiemouth for Poseidon's and licenses the Germans to procure Sting Ray torpedoes to arm them. Some other defence projects mentioned, a joint project to equip Ukrainian Sea Kings with missiles, joint work on loyal wingman drones as well as exploring the possibility of a joint program for development of Maritime Uncrewed Air System.

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Landmark UK-Germany defence agreement to strengthen our security and prosperity

A landmark defence agreement will be signed by Defence Secretary John Healey MP and German Defence Minister Boris Pistorius in London today in a major moment for NATO, and European security and prosperity. It is the first-of-its-kind agreement between the UK and Germany on defence.
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LAst week, we had pair of Navy Boeing P-8 Poseidon with Multi-Mission Pod AN/APS-154 arrive at RAF Mildenhall alas only got the second one last Thursday, from Sigonella so here are my photos below.

also received in the post from Fox-One, RAF P-9 poseidon Hawk Tuah patch lol

cheers
 

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Quick sink would be a weapon of choice for them.
But, hell yeah, I want to see that Coral blue painted B-1 shadowing the Pacific ocean like a giant shark looking for preys.
 
www.flightglobal.com

US Navy adds more long-range sub-killer kits for P-8A

The US Navy has entered a contract that will enhance the ability of its Boeing P-8A Poseidon maritime patrol aircraft to strike submarines at longer ranges.
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TLDR: $61m option taken up for more HAAWC wingkits for the Mk54 torpedo. No indication how many kits that amounts to.
 
DWG said:
Quicksink with a range of 40nm, or LRASM with a range of 200+. I think I know which I'd choose.
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you are not going to sink 350 battleships in a week. The plinking frenzy is for ship w/o solid robust AIDS support.
 
Scott Kenny said:
Deleting the Chinese merchant fleet.
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I think the P-8s and B-1s are going to have better things to do, for the most part, and I cannot imagine the U.S. would even need to do so. A far blockade could be maintained with less draconian measures; there are not a lot of entry points into the first island chain.
 
DWG said:
Odd that he gives the search mission to the P-8 and not the MQ-4C that's specifically designed for it.
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At the time of the article the survival of that program was in serious doubt, if I recall correctly.
 
That would almost be like what they tried to do with the 747 when they tried to convert that plane to a bomber when Nixon canclled the B-1A, but it never got past the concept design stage. I don't think that converting the P-8 into an arsenal plane will succeed either.
 
Relevant to this thread.

An open-source intelligence specialist operating under the username Britsky has tracked a major surge in Royal Air Force (RAF) P-8 Poseidon operations over the Norwegian Sea.​

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Surge in anti-submarine aircraft activity in Norwegian Sea

Poseidon aircraft flying from RAF Lossiemouth have been maintaining a 24-hour presence north of Norway.
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