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Re: Nuclear Powered Aircraft Projects
« Reply #30 on: July 07, 2008, 07:04:41 am »
5 years ago, there was a discussion about a "quantum nucleonic reactor powered Global Hawk".
Source: New Scientist - 19th February 2003 - Nuclear-powered drone aircraft on drawing board

It's a pity that the hafnium isomer nuclear battery concept turned out to be bunk. It's a neat neat... zap a hafnium isomer with Xrays and the isomer will release up to 60 times the energy; shut the Xrays off and the reaction stops, and you're left with a *non*radioactive chunk of metal. Tur the Xrays back on and it starts up again. A wonderful concept. That nobody was able to replicate. Sigh... more "cold fusion."
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Re: Nuclear Powered Aircraft Projects
« Reply #31 on: July 07, 2008, 08:34:22 am »
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t's a pity that the hafnium isomer nuclear battery concept turned out to be bunk.

that sad, i like the idea
lets put to rest of "flash in pan stuff"
like E-115, Cold fusion and Nazi UFO engine...

has Anti Matter power Jet Engine still a intrest at USAF ?
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Re: Nuclear Powered Aircraft Projects
« Reply #32 on: July 07, 2008, 10:10:08 am »
Hesham,
The site you mentioned is incorrect about the designations for the nuclear powered projects. 
For exemple L-212 was a bomber crew training variant of the L-12 Electra Junior...

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Re: Nuclear Powered Aircraft Projects
« Reply #33 on: July 07, 2008, 10:28:09 am »

For exemple L-212 was a bomber crew training variant of the L-12 Electra Junior...

Lockheed L-212-A14 was a nuclear powered bomber (the one in the box)

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Re: Nuclear Powered Aircraft Projects
« Reply #34 on: July 07, 2008, 11:07:00 am »
From Aviation Week october 1967, concepts studied by the USAF.As the article says,
mainly to analyze roles, nuclear powered aircraft could be used for.
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Re: Nuclear Powered Aircraft Projects
« Reply #35 on: July 07, 2008, 12:33:37 pm »
Hi Orionblamblam,

can you name the other air craft in your picture? ???

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Re: Nuclear Powered Aircraft Projects
« Reply #36 on: July 07, 2008, 01:14:18 pm »
Scheme of the hafnium isomer battery and weired manned Global Hawk idea from the mentioned Popular Mechanics article.

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Re: Nuclear Powered Aircraft Projects
« Reply #37 on: July 07, 2008, 02:40:37 pm »
Yes indeed , L-212 is mentiond in Bill Slayton's list (AAHS) as a nuclear powered design
but model 212 -as a 12 derivative- is mentioned in Lockheed Aircraft since 1913-Putnam.R.J.Francillon.
Could be confusion between 'L" and "Model" ....

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Re: Nuclear Powered Aircraft Projects
« Reply #38 on: July 07, 2008, 04:06:01 pm »
Hi Orionblamblam,

can you name the other air craft in your picture? ???

Yes. Yes I can. 


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Re: Nuclear Powered Aircraft Projects
« Reply #39 on: July 07, 2008, 04:16:48 pm »
I wonder if radioisotope thermoelectric generators were considered as propulsion systems, maybe for light UAVs?
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Re: Nuclear Powered Aircraft Projects
« Reply #40 on: July 07, 2008, 05:13:48 pm »
I wonder if radioisotope thermoelectric generators were considered as propulsion systems, maybe for light UAVs?

You'd have to be insane to do so. Power output of RTG is measured comfortably in *watts.* Not kilowatts, not megawatts.... just watts. Cassini's RTG, for example, has an electrical power output of 300 watts/thermal output of 4400 watts, and weighs more than 50 kg. The engine of a light aircraft can be assumed to have a power output measured in hundreds of kilowatts, and would weight roughly the same as the RTG.

RTG's make great long-lived batteries... but their power to weight ratio sucks.
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Re: Nuclear Powered Aircraft Projects
« Reply #41 on: July 07, 2008, 06:01:23 pm »
Would be interesting if somebody shows a RAD table to compare the radiation between Pu-288 and Sr-90 or Cb-60, i think cobalt or strontium have better values than Pu (used on cassini), but then..im not nuclear engineer :P

The cassini generator use some kind of direct transformation from heat to electricity, not sure how could perform with a conventional mechanical cycle (stirling, since it seems the temperature is not high enough to use water/steam)
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Re: Nuclear Powered Aircraft Projects
« Reply #42 on: July 07, 2008, 11:27:37 pm »
Nuke bomber miscellany, now with some labels.
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Re: Nuclear Powered Aircraft Projects
« Reply #43 on: July 12, 2008, 12:58:31 pm »
5 years ago, there was a discussion about a "quantum nucleonic reactor powered Global Hawk".
Source: New Scientist - 19th February 2003 - Nuclear-powered drone aircraft on drawing board

It's a pity that the hafnium isomer nuclear battery concept turned out to be bunk. It's a neat neat... zap a hafnium isomer with Xrays and the isomer will release up to 60 times the energy; shut the Xrays off and the reaction stops, and you're left with a *non*radioactive chunk of metal. Tur the Xrays back on and it starts up again. A wonderful concept. That nobody was able to replicate. Sigh... more "cold fusion."

The Air Force institute of technology had released even 2 PDFs about a hafnium178 powered Global Hawk UAV:

Link:  https://research.maxwell.af.mil/papers/ay2002/afit/afit-gae-eny-02-6.pdf

The other study "afit-gae-eny-01m-04.pdf" seems to be no longer available.
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Re: Nuclear Powered Aircraft Projects
« Reply #44 on: July 13, 2008, 06:28:05 am »
Scott,

Would the hafnium-isomer powerpant proposed by the Popular Mechanics article be practical under real world considerations?