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Offline Jemiba

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French ECAT Projects
« on: December 08, 2006, 10:21:05 am »
Perhaps someone has more infos about the Dassault proposal for the ECAT
competition, which was known as the Cavalier (not to be mixed up with the
VSTOL design with the same name) and which lost against the Br.121, later
Jaguar. It would have been powered by two GE J85 engines and was intended
to be built in a single seat attack version and as a two seat trainer.
I've attached the pictures I have so far, all showing the trainer version. Of
special interest for me would be a picture showing the undercarriage and the
single seat version. Was the Cavalier derived from another Dassault type, as
the Br.121 was a derivative of the Taon ?
(pictures from "Dassault-56 Years Of Aeronautical Adventure" and from
Flying Review 5/65)
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Re: French ECAT Projects
« Reply #1 on: December 08, 2006, 01:58:21 pm »
Quote
pictures from "Dassault-56 Years Of Aeronautical Adventure"

Jens,

Are you lucky owner of a enlarged and updated edition of the book? I have only
"Dassault - 50 Years of Aeronautical Adventure 1945-1995" in my bookshelf  ;D.

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Re: French ECAT Projects
« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2006, 01:41:15 pm »
Good evening boxkite, do you remember, where I got to know this book ?
It was in Immenstaad, Gästehaus zum Hennenbrunnen ...  ;D
I'm not even owner of hte older edition !
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Re: French ECAT Projects
« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2006, 02:15:38 am »
Was the Cavalier derived from another Dassault type, as
the Br.121 was a derivative of the Taon ?

I don't think so... The Taon was Breguet LWF in 1956, ok.
At the time, Dassault had no less than three series of LWF (early Mirages, early Etendards, and Mystere development). This thing doesn't look similar to one of the LWF fighters... IMHO, this was build "from scratch".

Knowing how Dassault design bureau is working, be sure that some features of this design went into the Alpha Jet 10 years later ;)


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Re: French ECAT Projects
« Reply #4 on: July 15, 2007, 01:49:20 pm »
Dassault Cavalier, Breguet 121, Potez P.92

Other projects were Nord 3600 Harpon and Sud-Aviation SA-125.
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Re: French ECAT Projects
« Reply #5 on: July 15, 2007, 01:59:45 pm »
Sud Aviation proposed the Northrop F-5 (but I never found  drawings or photos of this project). The same year, Sud proposed the Cyclone project. In october 1965, The  Minister  des Armées said Sud aviation will  never build  fighters.

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Re: French ECAT Projects
« Reply #6 on: July 15, 2007, 02:01:18 pm »
Flying Review says SA-125 "bears some resemblance to the Northrop F-5"
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Re: French ECAT Projects
« Reply #7 on: July 15, 2007, 02:08:00 pm »
the SA 125 was the Northrop F-5 proposed by Sud in 1965. In the same year, De Gaulle leaved the NATO, and that's why this project was pushed away by the French Minister. We have no details of this project in the archives  .... but if somebody wants to draw the French F-5 ;-)   

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Re: French ECAT Projects
« Reply #8 on: July 16, 2007, 09:49:49 am »


   Good found dear overscan.


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Re: French ECAT Projects
« Reply #9 on: July 22, 2007, 04:01:37 pm »
Breguet 121 drawing from Flying Review.

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Re: French ECAT Projects
« Reply #10 on: July 22, 2007, 05:52:03 pm »
the SA 125 was the Northrop F-5 proposed by Sud in 1965. In the same year, De Gaulle leaved the NATO, and that's why this project was pushed away by the French Minister. We have no details of this project in the archives  .... but if somebody wants to draw the French F-5 ;-)   

Out of curiosity, were there any further ties between Northrop and Sud Aviation?  I find it rather fascinating that Northrop seems to have been the most open of any US manufacturer to establishing ties with manufacturers in other countries.

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Re: French ECAT Projects
« Reply #12 on: November 15, 2008, 10:08:47 am »
Saw yesteday the SUD AVIATION drawings of the SA-X-125...

It's not the F-5 (but it loock like)

Read archives of Sud Aviation proposed the F-5 for Armée de l'Air.

I think Sud have the F-5 and the SA-X-125

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Re: French ECAT Projects
« Reply #13 on: November 16, 2008, 01:26:21 am »
Saw yesteday the SUD AVIATION drawings of the SA-X-125...

It's not the F-5 (but it loock like)

Read archives of Sud Aviation proposed the F-5 for Armée de l'Air.

I think Sud have the F-5 and the SA-X-125

Did you by chance manage to copy the drawings?  I'd be interested in seeing such a beast.

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Re: French ECAT Projects
« Reply #14 on: April 06, 2011, 01:46:36 am »
Dear Boys and Girls, here is a contemporary editorial in French on the proposals for the ECAT programme; the Bréguet Br.121, the Potez P-92 and the Dassault Cavalier......

The article comes from the 1st March 1965 issue of Aviation Magazine International......

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