Su-30, Su-33, Su-34 and Su-35 News thread, pictures and discussion

EmoBirb said:
Su-35s, Su-34s and rumored Su-57 purchase.

Algeria is living good and Morocco is definitely falling behind in this rivalry.

Would be interesting to know what associated munitions the Algerians buy. R-37M, Kh-59 and Kh-69 as well as glide bombs are probably high up on the wishlist.

I hope we'll see their aircraft soon in high resolution and close up. Desert camo rocks.
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I don't think they're in a hurry to arm themselves, so if I were them, I'd have waited for the Checkmate instead of going for three different types of varying validity in modern 5th+ gen warfare... It would certainly have been a better choice for the long-term.

P.S. The Su-57 procurement is not yet confirmed; we're still waiting for solid, rock-hard proof beyond official claims.
 
snne said:
I don't think they're in a hurry to arm themselves, so if I were them, I'd have waited for the Checkmate instead of going for three different types of varying validity in modern 5th+ gen warfare... It would certainly have been a better choice for the long-term.

P.S. The Su-57 procurement is not yet confirmed; we're still waiting for solid, rock-hard proof beyond official claims.
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Checkmate is yet to prove it even exists beyond mock-ups.
No flying airframe, no state commitment, no customer. Nothing to wait for.

Personally it feels that Algerian air force is emerging into more or less a VKS-mini. Before they were like more typical Ru customer, chosing better planes, but now they essentially took in the whole tac air ecosystem.

I guess they're betting that combat tested platforms will work well.
 
Ainen said:
Checkmate is yet to prove it even exists beyond mock-ups.
No flying airframe, no state commitment, no customer. Nothing to wait for.

Personally it feels that Algerian air force is emerging into more or less a VKS-mini. Before they were like more typical Ru customer, chosing better planes, but now they essentially took in the whole tac air ecosystem.

I guess they're betting that combat tested platforms will work well.
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I expect Russia to place an order within two years. Besides, last we heard the project had already passed the CDR review stage; and Sukhoi has a history of self-funding projects. However, you're right in the sense that there's nothing physical existing yet.

That is why I'd have waited for the Checkmate since I suspect Algeria is not in a hurry to procure arms. This choice would also bring substantial maintenance benefits.
 
snne said:
I expect Russia to place an order within two years. Besides, last we heard the project had already passed the CDR review stage; and Sukhoi has a history of self-funding projects. However, you're right in the sense that there's nothing physical existing yet.

That is why I'd have waited for the Checkmate since I suspect Algeria is not in a hurry to procure arms. This choice would also bring substantial maintenance benefits.
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I'd also say that the LTS is the economically more viable aircraft, while the Su-57 is very much a more specialized, high maintenance and cost choice.

However the Su-57 is here now and has conducted combat operations and has a selection of AAMs and ALCMs at it's disposal. I think this was what made Algeria (presumably) favor this option. A mixture of availability and capability, with the higher cost being considered a worthwhile drawback.

I find the Su-34 purchase to be the most surprising tbh, given it's a genuine tactical bomber and thus rather specialized in it's mission.
 
EmoBirb said:
I find the Su-34 purchase to be the most surprising tbh, given it's a genuine tactical bomber and thus rather specialized in it's mission.
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I wonder what's the number. It may potentially serve as a multipurpose support squadron of sorts (EW/Recon/Sigint)
 
Ainen said:
I wonder what's the number. It may potentially serve as a multipurpose support squadron of sorts (EW/Recon/Sigint)
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Question is , Su-34E or ME for the Algerian AF.

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First pictures! Su-34E fighter-bomber for Algeria

After many false reports in recent years, Russia now appears to be delivering Su-34 fighter jets to Algeria - we have the first pictures!
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If they receive ME version ,than there could be option for the 'Sich/Owl' recce containers.
 
Su-30 Bort number 52 blue besides F-15C .This symbolic photo was taken in the Savasleyka air base in 1996. Title is completely wrong. White panel with receiving antenna on the left wing wingslat ( Su-30) is from the RWR/SPO-32 Pastel.

Su-27UB and F-15 side by side at Langley Air Force Base (August 1992)​


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From July 1992 until Sept 1996 RuAF and USAF conducted several friendly joint tactical exercises with their premier heavy fighters Su-27S/UB and F-15C/D in the Savasleyka ,Lipetsk and Langley air force bases.

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Project T10PU Heavy interceptor fighter Su-27PU (Su-30)​


 
Russian Navy officer explains his aircraft to a visiting U.S. Navy officer on the flight deck of the Admiral Kuznetsov, Jan. 7, 1996

''A Russian Navy officer explains his aircraft to a visiting U.S. Navy officer while the aircraft sits on the flight deck of the Russian Aircraft Carrier Adm. Kuznetsov as it steamed in the Mediterranean Sea on Jan. 7, 1996. The aircraft carrier became the meeting place for the First Deputy Commander of the Russian Navy and the Commander of the U.S. Navy's Sixth Fleet. Russian Adm. Igor Kasatonov invited Vice Adm. Donald L. Pilling, U.S. Navy, aboard the Russian carrier to discuss potential professional contacts between the two navies during the Adm. Kuznetsov deployment in the Mediterranean. The American delegation was hosted to a tour of the ship, a display of embarked aircraft and a traditional Russian meal. The Russian carrier is in the Mediterranean to show the flag and help commemorate the Russian Navy's 300th anniversary.''

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Sukhoi Su-33 - Wikipedia

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A Su-33 onboard Admiral Kuznetsov in 1996. U.S. Navy sailors from USS San Jacinto are visiting the carrier.

''Russian fighter Su-27K (later designated Su-33) on a deck of Admiral Kuznetsov Original description: Russian naval flight officers show a SU-27 Flanker fighter to U.S. Navy Sailors assigned to the Ticonderoga Class Cruiser USS SAN JACINTO (CG 56), on the flight deck of the Russian aircraft carrier ADMIRAL KUZNETSOV (CV 063) February 23, 1996. ADMIRAL KUZNETSOV recently conducted official naval training exercises with USS SAN JACINTO while both ships operated in the central Mediterranean 23 and 24 February 1996. USS SAN JACINTO is part of the battle group assigned to the aircraft carrier USS GEORGE WASHINGTON (CVN 73).''

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lancer21 said:
Best... Hellduck... ever!

Seriously now, it's beyond frustrating why the heck these goodies are not on VKS Hellducks already. Wonder what pod it is referred, T220 or something else?
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Because Russian export habits are having wealthy foreign customers pay for big ticket items which Russia then later adopts when they've gotten cheaper.

I suppose we can call them Su-34ME now? Given that Russia only produces Ms these days and an export aircraft would logically be based on the jets rolling off the line.
 
EmoBirb said:
Because Russian export habits are having wealthy foreign customers pay for big ticket items which Russia then later adopts when they've gotten cheaper.

I suppose we can call them Su-34ME now? Given that Russia only produces Ms these days and an export aircraft would logically be based on the jets rolling off the line.
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''Экспортный Су-34МЭ в характерном камуфляже был замечен в аэропорту Жуковский.''

''An export Su-34ME in characteristic camouflage was spotted at Zhukovsky Airport.''


It seems it is Su-34ME . Hehe, 'light dark orange' Su-34ME !

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Экспортный Су-34МЭ в характерном камуфляже был замечен в аэропорту Жуковский. Фото: @spotting_tema Наиболее вероятно, что борт предназначен для Алжира. Еще в декабре 2019 года алжирские издания писали о заключении с Россией экспортных контрактов на приобретение 14 бомбардировщиков Су-34МЭ, 14...
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I wish they would stop painting the undercarriage blue and the random white. I would love to see the SU-34 in an all light grey scheme or the all dark grey minus the blue undercarriage and white random.

Other than the strange paint the SU-34 has turned out to have very impressive performance with its range and weapons load configurations. The experience in Ukraine only improved the aircraft’s avionics and helped better improve tactics.
 
Galaxy said:
I wish they would stop painting the undercarriage blue and the random white. I would love to see the SU-34 in an all light grey scheme or the all dark grey minus the blue undercarriage and white random.
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I for one love the colorful camouflage schemes. I'm tired of the "tactical" grey everyone else is rocking, on that note. The PLAAF managed to make Flankers look boring, for example.
 
One video-reportage from KnAAZ. Date 18 April '25. There is so many Su-35S. Any info about new state contract for the Su-35S?


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Вести. Хабаровск. "Это главный завод в России": московские студенты выбирают КнААЗ местом практики и работы

Из столичного колледжа имени Годовикова – на авиазавод имени Юрия Гагарина в Комсомольске-на-Амуре. И кое-кто уже принял решение остаться и работать на производстве, где строят суперсовременные боевые самолеты. Что вдохновляет не бояться расстояний, выясняла Людмила Смирнова.
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EmoBirb said:
Su-35S and Su-34M is such a power couple. No wonder Algeria picked both up. For most tasked these two are basically all you need.
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Always keep on mind what happened on May 13 2023.Ambushing SAM's are very dangerous even against most modern and capable fighters and bombers. During NATO intervention on FRY 1999, famous and glorious 3rd battalion of the 250 missile brigade of the Air Defence was on duty all 78 days w/o any loss and with some famous shoting downs like F-117A and F-16CG.

It will always be modern SAM's vs modern fighters and bombers.Combat tactics will decide who will win.
 
Squirrel said:
Always keep on mind what happened on May 13 2023.Ambushing SAM's are very dangerous even against most modern and capable fighters and bombers. During NATO intervention on FRY 1999, famous and glorious 3rd battalion of the 250 missile brigade of the Air Defence was on duty all 78 days w/o any loss and with some famous shoting downs like F-117A and F-16CG.

It will always be modern SAM's vs modern fighters and bombers.Combat tactics will decide who will win.
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There were lots of contributing factors to heavy Russian aircraft losses early in the war such as underestimating how many SAMs Ukraine possessed, not enough reconnaissance satellites or reconnaissance drones, inexperienced pilots or at least pilots with no experience facing modern SAMS, a rigid and outdated command structure based on orders from ground controllers instead of more flexible systems where pilots are given freedom to make their own decisions, conducting the majority of strikes in the daytime, not fully understanding or properly training on how to evade SAMS ect.

And of course early in the war SU-34s and other aircraft were negligently sent to hit heavily defended strategic targets such as airfields with dumb bombs where they were hit with SAMs from high altitudes or MANPADS from low altitudes. Since then Russia wisely adapted long range guided munitions and their ISR capabilities have increased due to more satellites and drones, not to mention better quality drones/satellites plus Russian aircraft have seen some upgrades and Russian pilots have improved tactics and experience. It’s been extremely rare for Ukraine to shoot down Russian aircraft the past two years with Russian losses almost none existent to past year. Russian tactics, planning and equipment or misuses of equipment early in the war were truly a disaster.

If Russia had the knowledge, equipment and planning of 2025 in 2022 then I imagine Russia would have suffered only a fraction of the losses while having more success in neutralizing SAMs, airfields, barracks, bunkers, and weapons fuel storage, ect.
 

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