Su-30, Su-33, Su-34 and Su-35 News thread, pictures and discussion

Tomboy said:
R-77M is barely in service and the Chinese already have PL-15's sucessor in service of some capacity.
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To be fair, it's hard to tell when it actually entered service.
It isn't widespread(at least until this year), but reference data point here is su-57 is in service. It can't use r-77-1 internally.
 
Tomboy said:
Go check out the Chinese AAM page, and yes how good the seeker head of the missile is a very important aspect of a missile. Sure good on you that R-77M was ordered in 2019. R-77M also from specs seems to be at best a comparable missile to the PL-15.
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My point was that you don't know how good or bad seekers of the two missiles actually are because you don't have the exact data on them, it is as simple as that.
Russians had AESA seekers with 200 or more TRM's years ago, but the most important thing is the fact that Russian missiles are combat tested in extremely demanding environment and have proved to be the top notch, with the longest kills in aviation history against uncooperative fighter sized targets.
Trying to downplay such achievements is downright foolish!

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Squirrel said:
'PeregrineFalcon' posted this Su-35S video in the merged one :

''Just to put it into perspective, here is the video of the Su-35S and Su-30SM taking off one after another (here the videos are merged) where we can see Su-35S not using the AB, while Su-30SM's are using AB.''

Sukhoi Su-35 "Flanker" supermaneuverable aircraft takeoff and aerobatics.​


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHMxh0_mTec


Is there full video which can be find ?
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That was the video from some Russian channel, and I don't have the links for it since I have lost huge amount of data, links, and videos when my laptop broke down.
I also had video and photos of the Su-35S and Su-30SM taking off together where the Su-30SM had to use the burners just to keep up with the Su-35S that was on military power.
 
One exercise of the MA-VMF was helded during July this year. Su-33 and launch of two R-73's in the same time.


«Июльский шторм»: палубные летчики Северного флота поразили воздушные цели управляемыми ракетами


 
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GTX said:
That's from 3.5 yrs ago
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Yes ,three years and almost 9 months....

lancer21 said:
Another Su-35 batch delivered to VKS.
https://twitter.com/x/status/1970725954428309907
View: https://x.com/MrFrantarelli/status/1970725954428309907
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What is interesting, we could see only one new Su-35S.

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Last year in four batches ,VKS received 16 new Su-35S.
 
To be reminded,PRC bought 24 Su-35 for about 2.5 billion $ which were delivered between Jan 2016 and April 2019.Unit price for the clean aircraft was about 80 mil $ .
 
ComradeVortex said:
Those were leaked days ago?

48 Su-35 to “364”
14 Su-34 to Algeria
12 Su-57 to Algeria
6 Su-35 to “231”

Values in money for KRET equipment, not airframes.


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364 is Iran and 231 is Ethiopia. There was another set of docs leaked implying that Azerbaijan and Bangladesh will get Su-30 and Vietnam getting Su-35, in addition to the above. However the poster cautioned that some of the contracts might not be active.
 
FB seems to imply that the 200th Su-34 has been delivered.
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Well, as I said.
The ping was 4 days.

The old ladies at the entrance suggest that this batch included a special edition plane.

It closed (or opened, depending on how you look at it) another (another, meaning not the first) hundred HellDucks ever produced.

And that's good!
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So all in all congrats to the people involved. 200 units of a highly specialized, heavily utilized and now also exported, modern, thoroughbred fighter-bomber (might as well call it a tactical bomber tbh). Seems like the Su-34 has been an across the board success for the Sukhoi design team, following the Su-27, Su-30 and Su-35 in that regard.

And this may as well be a moment to note the absence of anything meaningful from the Mikoyan design team aside from the MiG-31s combat performance, which isn't a new aircraft either, over the last three decades.

And with a steady flow of Su-34s, Su-35s as well as Su-57s, soon Su-70s and the Su-75 being at the verge of entering it's prototype testing stage, this truly looks like kind of a golden age for Sukhoi designs which utterly dominate the Russian tactical fighter and bomber fleet these days without any real competition really. Makes one wonder if PAK DP shouldn't be handed to these people as well, all things considered. After all they delivered on PAK FA and beyond. While Tupolevs PAK DA and Ilyushins PAK VTA remain untouchable for other design teams.
 
EmoBirb said:
FB seems to imply that the 200th Su-34 has been delivered.
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Question is, is that 200th for VKS or 200 in total including exports? Does anyone remember what was the last known number of deliveries and when, so at least we can quesstimate how many per year have been delivered since then? I have for some reason in my mind the number 163 but not sure now from where and when, probably 2022 or 2023.
 
lancer21 said:
Question is, is that 200th for VKS or 200 in total including exports? Does anyone remember what was the last known number of deliveries and when, so at least we can quesstimate how many per year have been delivered since then? I have for some reason in my mind the number 163 but not sure now from where and when, probably 2022 or 2023.
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Should be VKS alone based on deliveries.
 
I'd assume 200 in total, split across the VKS and Algerian Air Force now. Obviously with losses included there aren't 200 in fleet, but there have been 200 made/delivered.
 
EmoBirb said:
FB seems to imply that the 200th Su-34 has been delivered.
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So all in all congrats to the people involved. 200 units of a highly specialized, heavily utilized and now also exported, modern, thoroughbred fighter-bomber (might as well call it a tactical bomber tbh). Seems like the Su-34 has been an across the board success for the Sukhoi design team, following the Su-27, Su-30 and Su-35 in that regard.

And this may as well be a moment to note the absence of anything meaningful from the Mikoyan design team aside from the MiG-31s combat performance, which isn't a new aircraft either, over the last three decades.

And with a steady flow of Su-34s, Su-35s as well as Su-57s, soon Su-70s and the Su-75 being at the verge of entering it's prototype testing stage, this truly looks like kind of a golden age for Sukhoi designs which utterly dominate the Russian tactical fighter and bomber fleet these days without any real competition really. Makes one wonder if PAK DP shouldn't be handed to these people as well, all things considered. After all they delivered on PAK FA and beyond. While Tupolevs PAK DA and Ilyushins PAK VTA remain untouchable for other design teams.
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A good reflection.
According to a new 2025 document, Mikoyan (as a part of UAC’s fighter aircraft division)

- is continuously upgrading the MiG-31;
- is "fine-tuning" the MiG-35 for serial production for “phantom” customers;
- and is developing the MiG-UTS trainer aircraft.
View: https://youtu.be/wBNhFBQlqEU?si=Qe-bRPiu7DYNw2gw


As for the PAK DP, as with other projects, the amount of publicly available information has been significantly reduced. However, both design bureaus are reportedly involved in the program in some capacity. We’ll see, but there is clearly no rush here (the MiG-31 is expected to remain in service until 2040).

Russia Researching Future Interceptor Technologies, New Light Fighters | Aviation Week Network

Efforts are underway to develop a successor to the MiG-31.
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The last area where MiG was still quite active until recently involves work on the development of a carrier-based system combining a manned fighter and an unmanned aircraft.
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РСК "МиГ" разрабатывает палубный истребитель пятого поколения

Как сообщило информационное агентство РИА Новости , АО Российская самолетостроительная корпорация (РСК) МиГ начало разработку палубного истребителя пятого поколения, который будет выполнен с применением технологии стелс, в ближайшие несколько лет планирует создать…
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The fate of this program depends on the future of the Navy’s carrier fleet, yet even after discussions about canning the Kuznetsov, information remains scarce. In any case, as recently as last year, the Varan light aircraft carrier project was being actively promoted within the armed forces. Given its dimensions, it would most likely require the development of a new aircraft rather than a modified Su-57.
 
In 2021 a total of 135 su34 have been delivered.
If indeed 200 have now been made then the period between 2022 and 2025 has seen 65 deliveries.
So 65 planes delivered in 45 months.
Given that 2020 saw a low of just 4 delivered, and 2021 saw just 6 delivered, it is likely 2022 didn't see many delivered either as it is hard to ramp up production quickly.
4 were delivered in first half of 2022 after which details started to be withheld and we know just thr number of delivery batches. (2 more in 2022)
2023 saw 3 batches delivered
2024 saw 6 batches.
2025 saw 5 batches so far, with this october batch.

Assuming production gradually ramped up, here is an estimate:
2022 may have seen 8 to 10 airframes
2023 yielded maybe 12
2024 yielded maybe 20
2025 saw another 24 so far.
Total of approx 200.
 
EmoBirb said:
FB seems to imply that the 200th Su-34 has been delivered.
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So all in all congrats to the people involved. 200 units of a highly specialized, heavily utilized and now also exported, modern, thoroughbred fighter-bomber (might as well call it a tactical bomber tbh). Seems like the Su-34 has been an across the board success for the Sukhoi design team, following the Su-27, Su-30 and Su-35 in that regard.

And this may as well be a moment to note the absence of anything meaningful from the Mikoyan design team aside from the MiG-31s combat performance, which isn't a new aircraft either, over the last three decades.
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The numbers are decent, but the design of these fighters is not the most up to date. The NATO has fielded F-22s and F-35, the chinese have hundreds of stealth-ish J-20s.
 
Good overview @totoro, there is also this excellent table to guide us. There is still the caveat whether the 200 refers to all Su-34s and includes prototypes and exports, or just those for VKS. Either way indeed it looks production after 2022 spiked up dramatically even in the worse case scenario.
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Wotan said:
The numbers are decent, but the design of these fighters is not the most up to date. The NATO has fielded F-22s and F-35, the chinese have hundreds of stealth-ish J-20s.
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Are you comparing a literal bomber with two stealth air superiority fighters and a strike fighter with meager internal payload capacity?

It's like saying the F-15 production numbers are decent but meanwhile Russia introduced the Tu-160. It doesn't make sense.
 
The actual generation of fighters is about stealth and precision guided weapons. It does not help much if you can carry like ten tons of bombs if you are seen from hundreds ok kilometers. The recent bombing by Israel of Iran nuclear facilities shows what modern warfare means. They could not have done it without stealth strike fighters. Or with horrendous losses in any case. But the possession of only 45 F-35s gave them impunity. Older generations of strike fighters or bombers would not survive in such heavily contested air spaces.

On the other hand, should Iran had several hundreds of Su-34s, he would not have been able to bomb targets in Israel with any significant success. In best case they would have had a limited success and lost maybe half of them in one sortie.
 
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Wotan said:
The actual generation of fighters is about stealth and precision guided weapons. It does not help much if you can carry like ten tons of bombs if you are seen from hundreds ok kilometers. The recent bombing by Israel of Iran nuclear facilities shows what modern warfare means. They could not have done it without stealth strike fighters. Or with horrendous losses in any case. But the possession of only 45 F-35s gave them impunity. Older generations of strike fighters or bombers would not survive in such heavily contested air spaces.
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IIRC correctly Israel utilized plenty of non-stealth aircraft as well to bring in the actual heat. But if we are on the topic of real world warfare, you are aware that the Su-34 has seen active combat in Syria and most importantly Ukraine where the type flies dozens upon dozens of sorties a day dropping bombs on adversary positions and has been a fundamental component of the air campaign, Russian sustained advances and all of that with acceptable losses, most of which occurred in the early years of the war.

The Su-34 does the dirty work, the Su-35 does the finer things and the Su-57 does what needs to be done. A Frontline bomber, an air superiority fighter and a stealth multirole fighter (the only 5th gen to carry, launch and use ALCMs in service, btw).
 

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