Su-30, Su-33, Su-34 and Su-35 News thread, pictures and discussion

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According to an ever-increasing number of reports, Iran and Russia will sign a 20-year USD 10 billion defence agreement somewhere this month. Under that agreement, Moscow would supply the Islamic Republic of Iran Air Force (IRIAF) with 24 Sukhoi Su-35 Flanker-E, two S-400 air defence missile systems and a military satellite.

Although Russia’s main arms exporter Rosoboronexport surprisingly declined to comment on this agreement, Iran’s Mehr News Agency reported that Russia is ready to sell the Su-35 Flanker-E to Iran.

There would be a certain irony to that - so CAATSA kept Egypt from acquiring Su-35s, but possibly at the price of placing the very same airframes into Iranian hands. I mean, you have to wonder where they'd be liable to do less damage to US interests...

US put pressure on Algeria with CAATSA because Su-35 doesn't make sense for me. AFAIK, Algeria air force equipment mostly based on Russia stuff with few west stuff. Algeria get CAATSA because they want Su-35 is like giving Vietnam CAATSA treatment because they buy Su-35. It will only help China find military export customer.

CAATSA is never about the buyer, the intent is simply to counter Russia at virtually any cost. As you can see from the above example, this goal may potentially be pursued to the point of damaging the interests of an actual US ally (Egypt) to the benefit of an adversary (Iran). Algeria (unlike Iran) just has enough economic ties to the US that there is leverage to easily enforce CAATSA, and as it's not a close partner (like Egypt is), there will be even less hesitation to do so.
 

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Did Algeria ever really place order for Su-35 in the first place tho ? Plus they just received their S-400's. While news about Egyptian "cancellation" of Su-35's completely disregard Sipri's findings on delivery plan from 2021-2023.

Those "news reports" are kind of weird.
 

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Did Algeria ever really place order for Su-35 in the first place tho ? Plus they just received their S-400's. While news about Egyptian "cancellation" of Su-35's completely disregard Sipri's findings on delivery plan from 2021-2023.

Those "news reports" are kind of weird.
Well the news on 2021 only state they have interest on Su-35 or Su-57. But the interest to buy is enough i guess to get pressure from US like Indonesia.
 

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Did Algeria ever really place order for Su-35 in the first place tho ? Plus they just received their S-400's. While news about Egyptian "cancellation" of Su-35's completely disregard Sipri's findings on delivery plan from 2021-2023.

Those "news reports" are kind of weird.
Well the news on 2021 only state they have interest on Su-35 or Su-57. But the interest to buy is enough i guess to get pressure from US like Indonesia.

The thing is that currently Algeria is also receiving S-400. Something which US have problem with India and actually considering CAATSA on it.

The S-400 battery already roaming the Algerian Soil which is kinda weird if US turn a blind eye on it.
 

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Ahh never knew S-400 already delivered to Algeria. Interesting. Yeah the news is weirder than i thought.
Anyway, Algeria updating their Su-30 fleet is also interesting. Perhaps SM2 standard?
 

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There would be a certain irony to that - so CAATSA kept Egypt from acquiring Su-35s, but possibly at the price of placing the very same airframes into Iranian hands. I mean, you have to wonder where they'd be liable to do less damage to US interests...

Iran any case would have got russian fighter jets, just a bit later
this "damage to US interests" was imminent
 
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Failure of the control system in a test flight Su-35 2015.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNV_a3VgSLQ&ab_channel=spriterspriter
So how could the pilot control the jet, through TVC for compansating?
No, no TVC. Via banking, as when plane banking FCS doesn't make plane pitch much. You can see the pilot going to the base continuosly making turns. Good thing that plane had 4t of fuel, he had plenty of time to try to switch through FCS modes, catch flat spins, disable both INS, play with chassis, find that with landing gear extended situation is the same, but there is a small margin of time, where plane pitch control by pilot works before FCS kicks and use it to safely land using drag parachutes to rapidly reduce speed and lift in order to counter inevitable pitch up by fcs and remain on land.
This happened back in 2015.
EDIT: looks like there is no flight record video.
Here it is:
View: https://youtu.be/Zq0qAhrw6ow
 
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One Igor Kruglikov, apparently - a test pilot, so he would certainly have above average knowledge of the underlying systems.


There definitely was one nasty upset in there. The entire incident seems like an improved version of the 2011 Falcon 7X trim-able h-stab runaway, in which a military pilot was also instrumental in saving the aircraft, using similar technique. Of course, the biz jet crew got lucky in that the THS simply returned to approximately neutral on its own eventually, but then this guy had a bang seat to fall back on. Either way, both were amazing displays of airmanship!

Is the Nz read-out on the HUD what I think it is? If so, the fact that it is basically pegged at 0.0 throughout kind of suggests what the problem might have been (and why they tried messing with the INS configuration).
 

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One Igor Kruglikov, apparently - a test pilot, so he would certainly have above average knowledge of the underlying systems.
So, the mystery behind Su-57 short-landing technique origin has really solved.)) After this "incident" Oleg Kruglikov has been invited to work on Sukhoi in Zhukovsky and became a test-pilot of T-50. And i think this is just a perfect ending of this heroic story!
 

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In the clip the fighter goes nose up and banks a little at the same time. It almost looks like 5he parachutes yanked the aircraft back into a close to level attitude. You guys are right that is incredible flying.
 

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First Su-30SM2 with "Irbis" PESA and AL-41F1S were delivered:

They didn't say anynthing about Irbis.
Also, no MAWS. Cheapskates.
 

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BMPD article states that this is first stage of Su-30SM2, so no 117S engines.
Su-30SM with new engines will pass trials only in late 2023.
Still, IMO a waste of Moeny, wen there is Su-35.
 

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BMPD article states that this is first stage of Su-30SM2, so no 117S engines.
Su-30SM with new engines will pass trials only in late 2023.
Still, IMO a waste of Moeny, wen there is Su-35.
Interesting, is that bad boy gunna have enough electrical power for the new radar,
 

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BMPD article states that this is first stage of Su-30SM2, so no 117S engines.
Su-30SM with new engines will pass trials only in late 2023.
Still, IMO a waste of Moeny, wen there is Su-35.
Interesting, is that bad boy gunna have enough electrical power for the new radar,
Irbis was tested on Su-30MK with Al-31 just fine, so I don't see why not.
 

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BMPD article states that this is first stage of Su-30SM2, so no 117S engines.
Su-30SM with new engines will pass trials only in late 2023.
Still, IMO a waste of Moeny, wen there is Su-35.

How long the Su-35 lines will stay open tho ? considering KNAAZ may have full Su-57 production soon, and there seems to be no new order from VKS or Abroad.
 

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BMPD article states that this is first stage of Su-30SM2, so no 117S engines.
Su-30SM with new engines will pass trials only in late 2023.
Still, IMO a waste of Moeny, wen there is Su-35.

How long the Su-35 lines will stay open tho ? considering KNAAZ may have full Su-57 production soon, and there seems to be no new order from VKS or Abroad.

According to production plan they still open the production line in 2024. Maybe it will close after 2025, assuming no new contract.
 

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BMPD article states that this is first stage of Su-30SM2, so no 117S engines.
Su-30SM with new engines will pass trials only in late 2023.
Still, IMO a waste of Moeny, wen there is Su-35.
How is this even an SM2 then? SM1 was supposed to be import substitution, could have kept this designation. Thales HUD was replaced at least I hope?

Two seats make this a sensible option for VMF, more so than VKS at this point.
 

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I could be wrong but I think it has the al 41 engine and irbis e. The al 41f1 is pretty much required to power the upgraded avionics. Pay note to the new antennas and exterior differences.
 

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Perhaps an auxiliary power plant is also involved in the operation of the Irbis radar. It is not available on serial Su-30s
 

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Perhaps an auxiliary power plant is also involved in the operation of the Irbis radar. It is not available on serial Su-30s
Doubtful. That would be relly convoluted.
I remind, Irbis was tested on 30MK with Al-31.
 

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View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCCGingOHOI&ab_channel=CommandT

Perhaps not relevant to this thread but as a lesson in fantastic display of airmanship in the face of a FCS failure its hard to beat.

In summary after takeoff the FCS system fails and causes repeated un-commanded pitch up and auto-throttle issues. For close to an hour the pilot and ground controllers struggle to fix it until he brings it down to a safe landing. The unedited 52 minute HUD tape is in the video description.
 

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View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCCGingOHOI&ab_channel=CommandT

Perhaps not relevant to this thread but as a lesson in fantastic display of airmanship in the face of a FCS failure its hard to beat.

In summary after takeoff the FCS system fails and causes repeated un-commanded pitch up and auto-throttle issues. For close to an hour the pilot and ground controllers struggle to fix it until he brings it down to a safe landing. The unedited 52 minute HUD tape is in the video description.
It was discussed before. I posted this vid in post #89.
 

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View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCCGingOHOI&ab_channel=CommandT

Perhaps not relevant to this thread but as a lesson in fantastic display of airmanship in the face of a FCS failure its hard to beat.

In summary after takeoff the FCS system fails and causes repeated un-commanded pitch up and auto-throttle issues. For close to an hour the pilot and ground controllers struggle to fix it until he brings it down to a safe landing. The unedited 52 minute HUD tape is in the video description.
It was discussed before. I posted this vid in post #89.
Ah... I forgot. Such is my short term memory.

Sorry about that.
 

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At least Thales HUD has been replaced:

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So is there clear information if the SM2 has the Irbis, or is it an improved Bars? Presumably the arrays in the wing LE are the same as on Su-35?
 

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I am pretty sure Thales HUD was replaced on new built frames years ago? In like 2018 or something?
 

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