Russian Strategic Weapon Modernization Plans

GARGEAN said:
Mine is directly translated as Шахта. Ракетная шахта is Missile Silo.

Making a news out of nothing.
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Is there other examples where the article is talking about what could only be a silo based weapon like “Russia to place Sarmat in existing missile silos” that uses this same wording?
 
bobbymike, translate it yourself and stop typing nonsense:

Как рассказал в конце 2019 года в интервью телеканалу «Звезда» командующий РВСН Сергей Каракаев, название комплекса «Ярс» расшифровывается как «ядерная ракета сдерживания». Российские войска эксплуатируют новые МБР в шахтном и мобильном вариантах.

«У разных типов базирования МБР свои преимущества. Например, шахты, безусловно, лучше защищены от попадания крылатыми ракетами или другими средствами воздушного нападения. Ракета расположена на значительной глубине и защищена железобетонными колпаками», — пояснил в разговоре с RT директор Центра военно-политических исследований МГИМО Алексей Подберёзкин.
https://russian.rt.com/russia/article/781830-yars-perevooruzhenie-harakteristiki
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/ШПУ
ps: I can't believe that someone needs to explain such primitive things.
 
QuadroFX said:
bobbymike, translate it yourself and stop typing nonsense:

Как рассказал в конце 2019 года в интервью телеканалу «Звезда» командующий РВСН Сергей Каракаев, название комплекса «Ярс» расшифровывается как «ядерная ракета сдерживания». Российские войска эксплуатируют новые МБР в шахтном и мобильном вариантах.

«У разных типов базирования МБР свои преимущества. Например, шахты, безусловно, лучше защищены от попадания крылатыми ракетами или другими средствами воздушного нападения. Ракета расположена на значительной глубине и защищена железобетонными колпаками», — пояснил в разговоре с RT директор Центра военно-политических исследований МГИМО Алексей Подберёзкин.
https://russian.rt.com/russia/article/781830-yars-perevooruzhenie-harakteristiki
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/ШПУ
ps: I can't believe that someone needs to explain such primitive things.
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Hey buddy take it easy I was just asking a question being a non-Russian speaker and have seen convoluted translations before.
 
I think he meant the original article translation possibly was poor/primitive, rather than yours?
Either way, it does show the pitfalls of translation, where languages are not easily translatable.
Not speaking Russian myself, it's always interesting to see articles and blogs extrapolating stuff based on faulty translations that end up being wildly different to the actual things that were said.. it seems to happen often enough with sites that have a slant or a message they wish to portray.
I suspect many posters themselves use online translators when posting too, with all the attendant pitfalls in nuance.
Lost in translation...
 
kaiserbill said:
I think he meant the original article translation possibly was poor/primitive, rather than yours?
Either way, it does show the pitfalls of translation, where languages are not easily translatable.
Not speaking Russian myself, it's always interesting to see articles and blogs extrapolating stuff based on faulty translations that end up being wildly different to the actual things that were said.. it seems to happen often enough with sites that have a slant or a message they wish to portray.
I suspect many posters themselves use online translators when posting too, with all the attendant pitfalls in nuance.
Lost in translation...
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Thanks for the clarification KB
 
1st paragraph on report is highly debatable and they might as well add the Cedar missile that is to replace the Yars with already demonstrated capabilities below.

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bobbymike said:
sferrin said:
tequilashooter said:
1st paragraph on report is highly debatable and they might as well add the Cedar missile that is to replace the Yars with already demonstrated capabilities below.

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What is this "Cedar" missile?
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https://www.defenseworld.net/news/2...ntal_Ballistic_Missile_from_2023#.YIB2PiXOeEcKedr (Cedar) new ICBM
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That's in addition to the SS-18 replacement (Sarmat?), Topol and Yars? Well, it's a good thing we're talking about how destabilizing GBSD is. We wouldn't want to start an arms race or anything. :rolleyes:
 
sferrin said:
bobbymike said:
sferrin said:
tequilashooter said:
1st paragraph on report is highly debatable and they might as well add the Cedar missile that is to replace the Yars with already demonstrated capabilities below.

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What is this "Cedar" missile?
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https://www.defenseworld.net/news/2...ntal_Ballistic_Missile_from_2023#.YIB2PiXOeEcKedr (Cedar) new ICBM
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That's in addition to the SS-18 replacement (Sarmat?), Topol and Yars? Well, it's a good thing we're talking about how destabilizing GBSD is. We wouldn't want to start an arms race or anything. :rolleyes:
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Back to the 80’s everything the US did was destabilizing, MX, D5, Neutron Bomb, SDI, Pershing, GLCM/ALCM/SLCM, etc. never a mention of SS-18, 19, 20, 24, new Soviet FBMs etc.
 
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Nope, it's not because of that, and consequently stopping it would not see them scrap their plans for novel delivery systems. Stopping (or at least agreeing to slap binding limits on) missile defence on the other hand...
 
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Is it just me or does this subs bow shape more resemble US design than older Russian/Soviets models?
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Not sure I see what you mean, but there are actually a number of tangible reasons why it might give that impression:

- due to the aft VLS, the sail sits further forward than on, say, the Akula class (resembling US design philosophy)
- the sail also does not taper toward the top as it does on the Akula class, making it appear narrower over all
- uniquely among Soviet/Russian subs, the Yasen class adopts a midships torpedo tube configuration*

*Because (like its US counterparts) it was designed with a spherical sonar which takes up the entire bow. Ironically, future clean-sheet submarines from both Russia and the US will abandon this solution in favour of conformal arrays. These offer greater flexibility regarding internal arrangement and could therefore prompt a return to bow torpedo tubes. Already the second of class Yasen and current production Virginia class hulls are fitted with sonars of this type, but retain the mid-ships torpedo room to avoid drastic structural alterations.
 
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Used English subtitles.
View: https://youtu.be/oF12z843yUc


So these new corvettes have stealth composites, Zaslon AESA radar use 16 long range 9M96 missiles with range of 150 km or 64 9M100 missiles with range of 15 km or a mix of them, same as Gorshkov frigate. UKSK launchers enables Gremyashy to use Kalibr, Onyx and Tsirkon missiles.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYFD1L9N93I


At the end of November, the Russian Navy entered service with the third in the series, but the first equipped with the Pantsir-M air defense system, the Project 22800 Karakurt small missile ship.

Ten years ago, the "Buyan" type MRK was called the future basis of sea power in the near zone. However, scientific and technological progress has made its own adjustments.

So, relying on the experience of operating the aforementioned ships and using modern technologies, Russian engineers managed to build a new combat ship with similar firepower, but with a smaller displacement. In addition, the creation of "Karakurt" requires a significantly lower budget.

The first two versions of the small missile ship received good striking power, based on the 76-mm cannon and launchers for the Onyx and Caliber. At the same time, their anti-aircraft potential remained rather limited.

As a result, the third in the series of MRK "Odintsov" was equipped with the "Pantsir-M" air defense missile system ("Pantsir-C1 in sea version). But that's not all.

Since the "Karakurt" proved to be an excellent universal platform, the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation announced the beginning of the modernization of the project in order to expand its functionality by means of anti-submarine warfare. It is not excluded that we are talking about the latest complex "Answer" , which should go into service with the Navy next year.
 
Interesting usually adversary nations always say mine is better than equal to. https://russian.rt.com/russia/article/881683-serval-malaya-podlodka-malahit

New engines, "Calibers" and torpedoes: what the Russian submarine "Serval" is capable of running on liquid oxygen, July 4, 2021. Alexey Zakvasin, Elizaveta Komarova

Russia is developing a small coastal submarine "Serval" with an air-independent power plant. Igor Karavaev, the leading designer of the St. Petersburg Marine Engineering Bureau "Malakhit", told RT about this. This submarine is designed for the defense of naval bases, covert action near enemy positions, torpedo and missile attacks. Also, thanks to the modular design of the compartment with armament, the Serval is capable of carrying a small-sized vehicle with combat swimmers. According to experts, the most effective areas of application of the new development will be shallow seas, where it is often problematic for classic diesel-electric submarines to operate. In addition, small domestic submarines can be widely used in the navies of foreign countries.

Specialists of the St. Petersburg Marine Engineering Bureau "Malakhit" are developing a project for a small coastal submarine P-750B "Serval" with an air-independent (anaerobic) power plant ( VNEU ). Igor Karavaev, the lead designer of Malakhit, spoke about this in an exclusive commentary to RT.

“In principle, the Serval can go to the ocean area, but the main task of the submarine is watch in shallow seas and coastal waters, that is, work where it is often difficult for large submarines to operate. Specifically, these are the Baltic, Okhotsk, Barents, Black seas. Also "Serval" is well suited for providing anti-submarine defense of our bases, "said Karavaev.

The materials of Malachite say that Serval is capable of striking stationary coastal targets, fighting enemy ships and submarines, patrolling and covertly transporting reconnaissance and sabotage groups.

The normal displacement of the promising submarine P-750B is about 1450 cubic meters. m, length - 65.5 m, width - 7 m, draft - 5.2 m, maximum immersion depth - 300 m, full speed - 18 knots (33.3 km / h), autonomy - up to 30 days, total cruising range - within 4.3 thousand nautical miles (almost 8 thousand km).

The design bureau plans to achieve a high degree of automation of control processes at Serval. Thanks to this, only four officers, with a total crew of 18-20 people, will be on watch at a time.

Liquid oxygen

As noted in "Malakhit", the choice of anaerobic power plant is dictated by a number of serious shortcomings of submarines with traditional diesel-electric units.

“Yes, in terms of cost-effectiveness, diesel-electric submarines are still second to none. But their critical problem remains the need to ascend to recharge their batteries. This means a loss of stealth and the risk of becoming an easy target for anti-submarine forces. In addition, VNEU is generally safer and more environmentally friendly, ”explained Karavaev.

The anaerobic installation, which Malachite expects to develop in cooperation with other Russian enterprises, will provide the carrier with a continuous underwater range of up to 1.2 thousand nautical miles (just over 2.2 thousand km).

Moreover, in terms of a number of qualitative characteristics, the Russian VNEU should surpass the analogs that are now installed on the submarines of the naval forces of foreign states, including NATO member states.

“VNEU of our western colleagues operate on a fuel cell or an electrochemical generator. They have their advantages, but such installations suffer from insufficient power. As a result, the submarines have to walk a lot at low speed and constantly charge the batteries, ”explained Karavaev.

According to the designer, another significant drawback of Western anaerobic plants is the use of hydrogen as an energy component.

“The presence of hydrogen on a submarine is very undesirable, since it forms an explosive mixture when it interacts with oxygen. In the event of an accident, the crew's chances of survival are minimal. In addition, the use of hydrogen requires serious financial costs, ”said the designer.

VNEU, offered by Malakhit, will be designed based on the technology of using closed-cycle gas turbines or a single gas turbine power plant.

This approach provides for the abandonment of the use of hydrogen - instead of it, liquid oxygen is used. In addition, "Serval" is capable of continuing combat duty with fully discharged batteries for a certain period of time, added Karavaev.

Structurally, the Servala anaerobic plant consists of a hot loop, where gas exchange and cooling of the gas mixture takes place, and a section for utilizing waste gases.

The operation of the anaerobic plant is based on a scheme for converting chemical energy into heat, which, in turn, is converted into electrical energy, Pavel Andreev, design engineer of the 1st category of Malachite, explained in an interview with RT.

“The principle that we propose to use, a priori, slightly reduces the efficiency (efficiency. - RT ) in comparison with traditional VNEU. But the loss of energy with our conversion scheme is inevitable. The gain here is in higher power, turbine reliability and operational safety, ”Andreev noted.

Also, VNEU "Malachita" should surpass the quality parameters of lithium-ion batteries, which are equipped with modern Japanese diesel-electric submarines of the Soryu class. The main advantage of such submarines is the release of a large volume of internal space.

“Indeed, all VNEUs are large enough - this is their obvious drawback. It would seem that lithium-ion batteries can easily solve this problem, but their operation raises a lot of questions - primarily due to the high probability of a short circuit that can occur due to high heating. And the consequences of the fire on the submarine are well known to everyone, ”stated Andreev.

According to him, the operation of submarines with VNEU on liquid oxygen will require the purchase of additional equipment, but will not entail a radical restructuring of the naval infrastructure. In addition, according to the specialist, "Serval" will be a simple product in serial production compared to other non-nuclear submarines.

Modular architecture

Many innovations "Malachite" intends to integrate into the arsenal of "Serval". So, the front part of the P-750B submarine will be designed to install several modules with weapons. The choice of each one depends on the specifics of the task at hand.

For example, if it is required to strike at ground and sea targets, then a module with six outboard launchers for the use of torpedoes and Kalibr cruise missiles is mounted on the Serval.

“We have located the weapons bay outside the rugged hull. In classic diesel-electric submarines, it is embedded, that is, welded into a sturdy hull. From our point of view, this approach does not meet modern security measures too much, ”Andreev emphasized.

Also on "Serval" you can install the midget submarine "Triton", which can accommodate up to six combat swimmers. This family of small-sized submarines appeared in the Soviet years, but by now the design bureau has modernized them. "Tritons" are designed to carry out sabotage, reconnaissance and special operations in coastal areas.

In recent years, to ensure the covert transportation of combat divers, "Malachite" has developed and then finalized the submarine of Project 865 "Piranha", capable of covering up to 1,000 nautical miles (1,852 km). The submarine's autonomy is ten days, the maximum immersion depth is 200 m.

At the X International Maritime Show in St. Petersburg at the end of June, Malachite presented a mock-up of the Piranha torpedo modification with significantly increased autonomy and cruising range. It is proposed to equip the submarine with mines and torpedoes of 533 and 324 mm caliber.

Another significant feature of the Serval arsenal is a separate mine-dropping device.

“On modern submarines, sea mines are often dropped from torpedo tubes. But this is a rather noisy process - there is a high risk of detecting a submarine. Our device works very simply: the bottom cover opens, the stopper is lowered, and the mine quietly sinks to the bottom under its own weight, "said Karavaev.

In an interview with RT, Dmitry Litovkin, editor of the Nezavisimoye Voennoye Obozreniye newspaper, noted that Malakhit and other domestic enterprises have the competence to create such a high-tech submarine as Serval.

“The small submarine Malachita is more interesting and more perfect than the diesel-electric Varshavyanka , and the Russian shipbuilding industry is undoubtedly capable of implementing this project in iron. The position of the Navy is another matter. At the moment, we do not have information on how the military themselves assess the Serval and whether they are ready to buy these submarines, "saysLitovkin.

According to the expert, if the command of the Navy still supports the P-750B project, then the small submarine "Malachita" with a high degree of probability will gain great popularity not only in the domestic but also in the foreign market.

Military expert Alexei Leonkov also believes that Serval will be of interest to a significant number of Russian partners in military-technical cooperation. This type of submarine is well suited for performing tasks in the coastal waters of different regions of the world, an expert said in a conversation with RT.

“Despite the modest autonomy of navigation, the Serval can quite effectively operate in the near sea zone, guard the borders, economic resources, and act as a deterrent to the navies of unfriendly countries. This is a rather formidable naval technology, which, in my opinion, is in demand both in the Russian fleet and in the navies of other states that have access to shallow seas, ”concluded Leonkov.
 

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