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Messerschmitt Me-P-308 "Jet Taifun"

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Okay, does anyone have three-views of post-war business jets developed on paper by Messerschmitt? I'm referring to the HA230/Me230 and Me308 projects.
 

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"HA230/Me230 and Me308 projects."
No, not exactly, but in the 2/05 issue of FLUGZEUG Classics, therewas an article about
spanish businessjets. The HA-230 is mentioned, as externally only slightly different to
the HA-200 . This concept didn't find interest, due to its low capacity and so it was
developed into a new line of projects. The P 1216 was one of those concepts, which
was given the official designation HA-56. As can be seen by the title pages of two
brochures, the engine arrangement of the HA-56 design was changed at least twice.
 

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Interesting; both of these appear to be steps toward what little of the Me308 is shown in the book Schiffler publishes on Willy Messerschmitt (the one translated from the German).
 

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I am looking for pictures linedrawings, anything you can find!

Have searched everywhere. I am hoping one of you can help me :)

P1213-1214-1286-1225-1226

SP100-101-110-130-132

Thank you guys!
 

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Deusches Museum, via Santiago Sanchez Renedo
 

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Looks like a military derivative of the Me 230 .
An a spanish connection would make sense, too .. ;)

(from Ebert/Kaiser/Peters "Willy Messerschmitt. Pionier der Luftfahrt und des Leichtbaues")
 

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I wouldn't be sure whether the projects' designation was indeed the Me-400 (albeit, if I am not mistaken it should be noted that the Spanish projects of the Messerschmitt team had been designated twofold: they carried the Messerschmitt's designation as well as that of the Hispano Aviacion).
This particular project was contemplated as one of possible alternatives of the HA-200/220 Saeta replacement ('Super Saeta'), perhaps under the HA-60 designation. In the drawing you may see below there is not very much readable "Me P 60" visible. These project led eventually to the HA-500 Alacran design.

And for the Me-230, it was knows to the Hispano Aviacion as the HA-56, but perhaps a projects designated the HA-230 had existed as well.

Below you may see drawings of the advanced trainer/ground-attack airplane (the shaded areas in the first of them depict components of the HA-200 that were to be used in this new design) and a handful of pictures of the executive-jet that was based on the military aircraft.

Best regards,
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As there are only eight attachments allowed per post this one must be posted separately.

Piotr
 

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".. but perhaps a projects designated the HA-230 had existed as well"

in the book by Ebert/Kaiser/Peters , the HA 230 is mentioned as a version of the Me 230
with 2 Turboméca Aubisque engines, instead of the Marborés.
 

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via Santiago Sanchez Renedo
 

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Justo Miranda said:
2nd version

Here is a 3-view drawing of the HA-56's 2nd version.

Piotr
 

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Here's the Messerschmitt Me P 308 Jet Taifun:
 

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There is an old Messerschmitt Me P308 Jet Taifun brochure on EBay (UK) at the moment (I would bid for it but I am out the country when it finishes).
 

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From Aero May and September 1964, internal layout, artist impression and a
3-view, comparing it to the Bf 108 Taifun.
Obviously there were considerable changes in this design.
 

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Bonjour


Here the (probably) last proposal for the Me 308 :


I have only this (bad) copy from "Der Flieger" 8/1965 , about the "Salon du Bourget 1965 .
 

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Another three-view of the "Me 308" Jet Taifun:
 

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Photo of a model of the Me 308, shown in "Der Flieger", June 1964. Mentioned is, that the
engines were moved further forward, than in the earlier design.

Edit: New scan/photo from same source added
 

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Jemiba said:
"HA230/Me230 and Me308 projects."
No, not exactly, but in the 2/05 issue of FLUGZEUG Classics, therewas an article about
spanish businessjets. The HA-230 is mentioned, as externally only slightly different to
the HA-200 . This concept didn't find interest, due to its low capacity and so it was
developed into a new line of projects. The P 1216 was one of those concepts, which
was given the official designation HA-56. As can be seen by the title pages of two
brochures, the engine arrangement of the HA-56 design was changed at least twice.


My dear Jemiba,


here is again your drawings,but with some colors.


Flugzeug Classic 2/2005
 

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Another artist's view of the P308
 

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Messerschmitt - Me P-308 "Jet Taifun" from Skrzydlata Polska nr 27/1963.

Source:
http://lotnictwo.net.pl/3-tematy_ogolne/13-lotnictwo_cywilne/67925-futurystyczne_projekty_samolotow_pasazerskich-5.html
 

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