Future Cruise / Anti-Ship Weapon (FC/ASW)

[TomS]

Subsonic and Supersonic Antiship Missiles: An Effectiveness and Utility Comparison
J. F. McEachron

Sci-Hub | Subsonic and Supersonic Antiship Missiles: An Effectiveness and Utility Comparison. Naval Engineers Journal, 109(1), 57–73 | 10.1111/j.1559-3584.1997.tb01931.x

But keep in mind that the author was closely involved with Harpoon and so has a bit of a vested interest in finding that subsonic missiles are superior.

 

[TomS]

Well Not against ships to my knowledge but only against Land Targets with the Land Attack Version

And that version is quite different -- it is a purely subsonic, unitary missile, unlike the Sizzler anti-ship version.

 

[Firefinder]

10nmi due to head-on LO shaping (and ONLY head-on, for cost)

This type of things would only work against unsupported ships.

In a Task Force you have to also consider that theres a radar at at 20k feet staring down like a particular angry Eye of Sauron who is in constant telepathic communications with all the fighting systems.

So you will need to make the top LO as well to avoid that.

Otherwise you get picked of at... say 100 miles from you target by a SM2 if you lucky while still cruising at 500 knots.

 

[Scott Kenny]

This type of things would only work against unsupported ships.

In a Task Force you have to also consider that theres a radar at at 20k feet staring down like a particular angry Eye of Sauron who is in constant telepathic communications with all the fighting systems.

So you will need to make the top LO as well to avoid that.

Otherwise you get picked of at... say 100 miles from you target by a SM2 if you lucky while still cruising at 500 knots.

Then you only worry about LO from the front and above, not all aspect broadband.

 

[A Tentative Fleet Plan]

This type of things would only work against unsupported ships.

In a Task Force you have to also consider that theres a radar at at 20k feet staring down like a particular angry Eye of Sauron who is in constant telepathic communications with all the fighting systems.

The angry Eye of Sauron is a pretty obvious emitter, and putting it over the Task Force reveals the location of said Task Force. The US Navy tended to operate their E-2s passively for a reason, or deceptively when actively emitting, a long distance away from the task force.

Using anti-ship missiles requires minimising warning, and obtaining the tracks passively via systems like White Cloud, Classic Outboard or EP-3s, meant that the 1980s USN could launch TASMs without the Soviets receiving any warning until the missile seekers started radiating.

A stealthy SS-N-27 equivalent would do the same things, but enable the missile to close in even if the enemy is actively emitting, and enable it to sprint in the terminal phase when the missile gets too close for stealth to be effective.

 

[timmymagic]

Sounds like a canister for the subsonic land attack variant which will arrive first...

Canister and missile sound like they're JASSM-XR weight....

https://twitter.com/x/status/1724058705556029743

View: https://twitter.com/Gabriel64869839/status/1724058705556029743?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

 

[bring_it_on]

Canister and missile sound like they're JASSM-XR weight....

What's JASSM-XR weight relative to the weight of the JASSM-ER?

 

[timmymagic]

What's JASSM-XR weight relative to the weight of the JASSM-ER?

Almost double

 

[TomS]

Assuming it's the shipping container, there would be a canister inside it and then the missile inside that. Sounds like the idea would be to load directly from the transport canister into the VLS (hence the "hinged at one end" requirement).

 

[trose213]

What's JASSM-XR weight relative to the weight of the JASSM-ER?

Doubtful given it probably has the same form as the rest of JASSM family.

 

[TomS]

Doubtful given it probably has the same form as the rest of JASSM family.

There have been two different things called JASSM-XR. One was substantially stretched.