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Dassault Rafale Projects

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This thread is now officially hopeless...
 

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hesham said:
From Lotnictwo 9/2016,

here is a two Models for Dassault ACX and ONERA Fighter.
And maybe this ONERA fighter as the same here,which had a folded canard ?.

https://apps.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a275733.pdf
 

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hesham said:
hesham said:
From Lotnictwo 9/2016,

here is a two Models for Dassault ACX and ONERA Fighter.
And maybe this ONERA fighter as the same here,which had a folded canard ?.

https://apps.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a275733.pdf
it seems doe of wind tunnel experiment, not variable geometry of canard
 

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hesham said:
hesham said:
From Lotnictwo 9/2016,

here is a two Models for Dassault ACX and ONERA Fighter.
And maybe this ONERA fighter as the same here,which had a folded canard ?.

https://apps.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a275733.pdf
Under the photo is wrote : "DFVLR Göttingen"

Göttingen is a city of Germany.

For DFVLR, Wikipedia says :

The German Aerospace Center (German: Deutsches Zentrum für Luft- und Raumfahrt e.V.), abbreviated DLR, is the national center for aerospace, energy and transportation research of the Federal Republic of Germany. Its headquarters are located in Cologne and it has multiple other locations throughout Germany
(...)
What was later called the DLR was formed in 1969 as the Deutsche Forschungs- und Versuchsanstalt für Luft- und Raumfahrt (DFVLR; "German Test and Research Institute for Aviation and Space Flight") through the merger of several institutions. These were the Aerodynamische Versuchsanstalt (AVA), the Deutsche Versuchsanstalt für Luftfahrt (DVL; "German Laboratory for Aviation"), the Deutsche Forschungsanstalt für Luftfahrt (DFL; "German Research Institute for Aviation") and (in 1972) the Gesellschaft für Weltraumforschung (GfW; "Society for Space Research").
In 1989, the DFVLR was renamed Deutsche Forschungsanstalt für Luft- und Raumfahrt (DLR; "German Research Institute for Aviation and Space Flight").
 

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Hesham, PLEASE take a second to read before posting.

The article is written by WH Staudacher from Deutsche Aerospace AG (DASA) based on research undertaken into spanwise blowing from the 1970s through to 1982.

All the data presented in this paragraph were taken
from the result of the former working group
Wings with Controlled Separation' The group's
activities were directed on the experimental
investigation of flows with stable L.E. vortex systems, especially
on the development of strake wings (1969 - 1978)
and on spanwise concentrated blowing (1915 - 1982).
Members of this team were individuals from
DFVLR (now DLR), the former companies MBB
and VFW (both now DASA) and, temporarily,
ONERA, France, their work being sponsored at
that time by the German Ministry of Defense.
How is this Rafale related in any way? Rafale doesn't use spanwise blowing...
 

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hesham said:
From Lotnictwo 9/2016,

here is a two Models for Dassault ACX and ONERA Fighter.
Sorry my dear Paul.
 

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Hi,

are those concepts the way for Rafale ?.

https://apps.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a185224.pdf
 

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First pic is from an article on relaxed static stability by MBB engineers, so.... no.

The rest of the pics are from a nice article on development of the Rafale by Dassault engineer, so.... yes.
 

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paralay said:
Did anyone come across an image of the project stealth Rafale-D?
I Don't know the "Rafale D" of your drawing.

AFAIK, the real Rafale "D", for "discret", became the current Rafale C (for Chasseur/Fighter), a few more "stealth" than the demonstrator Rafale A.

Otherwise there was this old drawing, but I never found from where it came :
 

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My drawing was copied from the "TsAGI Technical Information" magazine in 1986–88
 

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PaulMM (Overscan) said:
The rest of the pics are from a nice article on development of the Rafale by Dassault engineer, so.... yes.
Thank you my dear Paul,

and if someone can make the drawings clearer,that will be useful.
 

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paralay said:
My drawing was copied from the "TsAGI Technical Information" magazine in 1986–88
Maybe it was only an assumption and nothing really concrete. in any case, I don't know anything that corresponds to this drawing.
 

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Thanks a lot Alanqua :)

Do you know the name of the French air magazine and the year of the drawings ?

Were they drawings from Dassault or artist's views ? (AFAIK engines with thrust vectoring is a relatively recent concept in Dassault's philosophy)
 

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Looks like an unofficial take on "Rafale-D", before we saw the real deal.
 

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Amazing my dear Alanqua.
 

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Hello,
Sorry, i do not remember exactly the French magazine. I think the title was something like "AIR", and it had been issued only twice. This drawing (the first one) was a sort of fantasy in my opinion, because I never saw such a version of Rafale (maybe we should ask to Dassault, you never know). But it looked quite interesting and realistic. I do not remember where comes from the second drawing, maybe from a English book I had on combat aircraft.
Regards
Alain
 

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Yes. It was the cover of a new aerospace magazine during the 80/early 90's in France (that did not find much success).

(Had it (bought it at the time) and lost it some years ago).

Remember those were the times of the airfix/Italieri F-19 exclusive model release ;)

 

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TomcatViP said:
Remember those were the times of the airfix/Italieri F-19 exclusive model release ;)
To the best of my knowledge Airfix, as opposed to Revell, Monogram, Testors, or Italeri, never did an F-19 in any scale, but I'd be happy to be corrected - always eager to learn something new.

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Just to clarify any potential confusion over the ACT designation, the Rafale project was initially known as the Avion de Combat Tactique, or Tactical Combat Aircraft, with the naval version known as the ACM or Avion de Combat Marine (Naval Combat Aircraft).
 

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TomcatViP said:
Remember those were the times of the airfix/Italieri F-19 exclusive model release ;)
To the best of my knowledge Airfix, as opposed to Revell, Monogram, Testors, or Italeri, never did an F-19 in any scale, but I'd be happy to be corrected - always eager to learn something new.

Martin
Thank you Martin. I stand corrected.
 
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