If one was to count Blue Origin's New Glenn as "different" to F9, then surely CZ-10B is "different" as well. At the very least CZ-10B has completelly different landing system to F9, while New Glenn , functionally, uses the same solutions.
New Glenn uses fins instead of folding grid-fins, strakes for increased crossrange capability, and six legs stored inside instead of four legs folded against the structure. The 10B (methane, catching wires?), I'll grant, is a different take.
10A - It is mainly used for crewed missions — launching crewed spacecraft and cargo spacecraft.
Rocket Lab, Stoke Space, Blue Origin …… Are they an American company?
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Oh, I openly admit that since the beginning of this Millennium Europe is NOT a place to look for ELV, let alone RLV, innovation (you may occasionally have noticed my consistent strong views on the Italian SRB dead end industry) - one of the many reasons why I applied and was accepted for a position in advanced space system concepts at then Boeing North American (former Rockwell) in Downey, CA (the cradle of the Space Shuttle) in sunny near coastal SoCal
. ESA *REALLY* should have gone with my FESTIP System Study FSSC-16 design back in the day, but, waking up each morning to the sight of palms outside our bedroom windows, I'm not bitter ...
Exactly. I asked why China doesn't come up with different designs when, clearly, other American companies have chosen not to ape SpaceX. (For the most part.) And all of them were "latecomers".
Boeing? Does Boeing have a reusable rocket? You're jumping from a region that has no reusable rockets to a company that also has no reusable rockets? Delta Clipper? You're in charge of that?Oh, I openly admit that since the beginning of this Millennium Europe is NOT a place to look for ELV, let alone RLV, innovation (you may occasionally have noticed my consistent strong views on the Italian SRB dead end industry) - one of the many reasons why I applied and was accepted for a position in advanced space system concepts at then Boeing North American (former Rockwell) in Downey, CA (the cradle of the Space Shuttle) in sunny near coastal SoCal
The Falcon 9 has already flown hundreds of times. If you need to quickly catch up with the reusable rocket wave and securing government contracts, the Falcon 9 is the best solution.
Because they believe that there are too many rocket numbers, especially the Long March 2, 3, and 4 have roughly the same first stage, and the Long March 6A, 7, and 8 also have similar first stages with a diameter of 3.35 meters
Relative to SpaceX's rockets, they are latecomers, but not relative to other countries.
These days I'm not in charge of any launch vehicle concepts, but I'm an aerospace engineer with relevant experience in this area - may I ask what your educational and professional background is?
I am not a space industry professional, nor do I have a degree in aerospace. But this is the Secret Projects Forum, not a job interview at Without Reusable Rockets · Boeing. Oh, my English isn't good either. Most of my conversations are translated by AI.
So everyone goes to learn from it. If you want to innovate like crazy, like this...
This Chinese company can give it to you, but I suspect it's a company that will end up with nothing.
Good to know.
There is also cluster recovery, where all boosters are bundled together as a single unit for recovery. But are these solutions really better than the Falcon 9 one?
Do you understand Chinese? This is the Chinese space program.
I agree - in engineering, everything's a tradeoff. Beware of foregone conclusions...
Gee, that's a really nice non sequitur you got there, Mister...
I always thought a Saturn IB design would lend itself to boostback.
Even having thumbed up your general characterization of the current flock of aerospace engineering follow the herd me too sheep, as a weeks away from voluntary retirement German National/USA Resident Alien crusty aerospace engineering veteran, I hold out hope there are always renegades that challenge the current en vogue aerospace launch vehicle paradigm, and if you do too, please don't hesitate to reach out to me.
All I would ask is if you could locate the engineless orbiter concept spoken of in figure 21 here--and the lenticular design of figure 13 here:
No promises, obviously I can't and won't divulge Boeing internal documents, but I had the pleasure and privilege to work alongside Jim for a while - he was a true gentleman, and obviously an outstanding towering authority on space transportation. I'll root around in a bit...
I checked Boeing's online library (the only one available these days), and while I found an entry for the “Shuttle Growth Study, Rockwell International Report SD76-SA-0134-3" reference #2, unfortunately it just states "No items available". No results whatsoever for references #1 and #3. I'd recommend to try FOIA requests to NASA and USAF, but I wouldn't hold my breath - sorry.
Well, the main reason I suspect is bureaucratic trickery. Securing government funding and approval for something completely new is hard but it becomes alot easier when you package it with something else and claim it to be an "Upgrade" or "Derivative".
That's the European way - well, at least since The Wall fell, and the most unfortunate Teutonic reunion (poor old West Germany, since before that, East Germany had the bragging rights of having produced the largest electronic microchips in the World...). But as a resident US alien, I'm still not bitter about the German reunification, no siree Bob (South Korea, I would desperately urge you to pay close attention to my expat hostage signals)... But on the plus side, we Europeans launch in much more scenic/dramatic locations!
See Hornet / Super Hornet
Not even sure what your point is supposed to be here.
SpaceNews story on it:
spacenews.com
NOTAM confirm that a launch attempt is planned no earlier than April 28th 02:00 UTC, the drop zone 500-600km downrange seems compatible with a rumored recovery attempt.SpaceNews story on it:
Fueling test suggests imminent debut of China’s reusable Long March 10B rocket
Fueling test suggests imminent debut of China’s reusable Long March 10B rocket China has conducted what appears to be a wet dress rehearsal for its Long March 10B, paving the way for a potential launch within weeks.
