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The International Atomic Energy Agency’s (IAEA) Chair Rafael Grossi told Radio France Internationale the centrifuges at Iran’s underground Fordo nuclear site are “no longer operational,” after the U.S. strikes.

In the interview, Grossi said IAEA officials know the installations “like the back of our hand” and can “can deduce fairly precise conclusions by looking at satellite images.”
He added: “Given the power of these devices and the technical characteristics of a centrifuge, we already know that these centrifuges are no longer operational, because they are fairly precise machines: there are rotors, and the vibrations [from the bombs] have completely destroyed them.”
 
And the centrifuges where not operational back in 2015 without the need to be dropping bombs on anyone...
 
There is no point in discussing whether the destruction of Fordow has been definitive, the important thing from a strategic point of view is that the underground facility inaccessible to the IDF has been evacuated. In my opinion, another U.S. military intervention will no longer be necessary, now that Iranian nuclear technology no longer has underground protection it can be successfully attacked by Israel's air force.
 
William Spaniel has put out a video concerning how quickly Iran could build a nuke (Or two) after the USAF B-2A raid:


We are now starting to get an idea of the damage that Operation Midnight Hammer inflicted on Iran's nuclear program. But the whole situation has become politicized, creating additional headaches in how to interpret things. Today, I explain what exactly the leaked media report suggested, why the bounds of possible outcomes are still large, and how Iran will proceed from here depending on the current situation.​
0:00 Operation Midnight Hammer Confusion
0:58 The Leaked Intelligence Report
6:41 Restarting Iran's Program, Best Case Scenario
8:27 What If Iran Has No Weapons-Grade Uranium?
11:38 What If Iran Has No Enriched Uranium?
 
Iran must be running out of nuclear scientists for its nuclear weapons programme as Mossad and the IAF keep whacking them.

On another unrelated note is there an existing thread on this board dealing with the US's atmospheric nuclear tests from the late 1940s, 1950s and early 1960s?
 

UK And France To Join Forces For Nuclear Deterrence​

 

UK And France To Join Forces For Nuclear Deterrence​

They are calling it the Agincourt Accords ;)
 
A lot of the missiles on todays ballistic subs aren't carrying a full load of warheads anyway as its overkill, instead they have a reduced number of warheads in each missile to about a third and even some missiles carrying only decoys. Several navies have done the maths and decided that with improvements in missile accuracy, the weight reduction and miniaturisation of the new generation of re-entry vehicles, and improved counter-measure evasion that they require less missiles in their subs to generate the same destructive potential.
The US hasn't designed a new nuclear warhead in about 45 years. The reason to download, aside from treaties, is for more range, or you just don't have enough working warheads. They originally planned on building something like 5000 W88s but ended up with less than a tenth of that.
 
A lot of the missiles on todays ballistic subs aren't carrying a full load of warheads anyway as its overkill, instead they have a reduced number of warheads in each missile to about a third and even some missiles carrying only decoys. Several navies have done the maths and decided that with improvements in missile accuracy, the weight reduction and miniaturisation of the new generation of re-entry vehicles, and improved counter-measure evasion that they require less missiles in their subs to generate the same destructive potential.
Most of that was due to an arms-reduction treaty. New START, maybe?

Anyways, it doesn't mean that the warheads aren't available. Just that they aren't on the birds. Same reason that the US could upload MM3s back to 2-3 warheads plus decoys.
 
The US hasn't designed a new nuclear warhead in about 45 years. The reason to download, aside from treaties, is for more range, or you just don't have enough working warheads. They originally planned on building something like 5000 W88s but ended up with less than a tenth of that.

Both UK (Astraea) and US (W93) have new warheads in design with the US expected service entry date being 2040 to coincide with the Columbia's, there is also an updated common delivery vehicle (Mk7) and Trident is going through a D5 Life Extension 2 program with minor performance increases and obsolesce updates.
 
No, it should be done based on reality. And the reality was we were getting something for that reduction, and the nuclear threat was less. That changed (and it's not a catchy slogan).
Even with the China build up, there are far fewer enemy warheads in service than back in the day when we had 41 SSBNs.
 
Anyways, it doesn't mean that the warheads aren't available. Just that they aren't on the birds. Same reason that the US could upload MM3s back to 2-3 warheads plus decoys.

US has under 3,700 warheads in its arsenal as of 2025
1,670 strategic deployed
1,930 strategic stockpiled
100 deployed tactical warheads
1,477 decommissioned but not yet dismantled

Just putting 8 warheads in each US Trident in service today would require 2,880 and that's before the 400 Minutemen III missiles (which have had their warheads reduced from 3 to 1 each) and the air dropped strategic warheads of the bomber force.
 
US has under 3,700 warheads in its arsenal as of 2025
1,670 strategic deployed
1,930 strategic stockpiled
100 deployed tactical warheads
1,477 decommissioned but not yet dismantled
Which is 3407 warheads not deployed.


Just putting 8 warheads in each US Trident in service today would require 2,880
I count 2688 (14 subs * 8 warheads per missile * 24 missiles) Trident warheads possible. You'd only need to move about half of that number (1344) from stockpile to deployed, and that's not counting any missiles that are carrying W76-2s and/or still deliberately downloaded for range.

I would not expect more than 2 missiles per sub carrying the W76-2s, so we can change the magic number to 14*4*22=1232. Which saves us at least 112 warheads to move from stockpile or decom pile to deployed just from W76-2 birds.

If any missiles are still deliberately downloaded, I'd assume at least 2 per sub for redundancy, that brings the magic number down to 14*4*20=1120. Or less, if more than 2 birds per sub are downloaded for range.


and that's before the 400 Minutemen III missiles (which have had their warheads reduced from 3 to 1 each) and the air dropped strategic warheads of the bomber force.
That's only an additional 800 warheads to move to "deployed".

Makes a total of ~2000 warheads to get all the missiles uploaded.

And as I noted, there's roughly 3400 warheads available between "active stockpile" and "decom pile". Plenty to work with.

Alternatively, if the US has an Avangard HGV equivalent, I'd stick that on the MM3s instead of uploading them.
 
I don't actually remember refloating the boats to shift blocks around any time we were in drydock for a refit.
In practice, you do docking position #1 on one docking, and position #2 the next time.
I'm not sure it's possible for NNNS to build carriers fast enough to increase the number of hulls in the water. They'd need to increase production rates to something like 1 carrier every 4 years.
16 carriers is one every 3 years, and you have two or three building at a time. But you can't build SSBNs fast enough to get a fleet of 36 either – at least not without cutting SSN numbers – so it's all somewhat academic.
 
Even with the China build up, there are far fewer enemy warheads in service than back in the day when we had 41 SSBNs.
You also (mostly) don't aim warheads at other warheads. Some might be used against delivery vehicles, but a missile or bomber with one nuke on board takes the same amount of killing as one with ten. But for deterrence, you're looking at things like industrial and government centres - which happen to be in cities. Russia hasn't sprouted extra cities in the last couple of decades. China... probably has, actually. But not that many.

Does deterring Russia and China in 2025 require more aimpoints than in 1994? Very probably. Does it require more than deterring the entire Soviet Union and China in the early 1980s? Quite possibly not.
If any missiles are still deliberately downloaded, I'd assume at least 2 per sub for redundancy, that brings the magic number down to 14*4*20=1120. Or less, if more than 2 birds per sub are downloaded for range.
Given that loads in excess of eight warheads per missile are possible, it's entirely possible for that to be the average load, with some missiles carrying more and others fewer. For what it's worth, we do know that UK boats carry eight missiles with a maximum of 40 warheads - but the ability to put 192 warheads on a single boat was key to the justification to build four boats rather than five.
 
16 carriers is one every 3 years, and you have two or three building at a time. But you can't build SSBNs fast enough to get a fleet of 36 either – at least not without cutting SSN numbers – so it's all somewhat academic.
Which gets us back to the problem: Can the US even build 2 carriers at the same time? I thought NNNS only had one drydock big enough for carrier building? They're certainly only building one at a time right now.



Given that loads in excess of eight warheads per missile are possible, it's entirely possible for that to be the average load, with some missiles carrying more and others fewer. For what it's worth, we do know that UK boats carry eight missiles with a maximum of 40 warheads - but the ability to put 192 warheads on a single boat was key to the justification to build four boats rather than five.
Depends on which warheads you're using. 8x W88, 12x W76.
  • W88s are 475kt.
  • W76-0 are 100kt.
  • W76-1 are 90kt. (not sure for the reason behind the reduced yield)
  • W76-2 are about 5-7kt (references aren't clear).
An advantage of using W76s is that they're a lot lighter than W88s, ~95kg versus ~175-180kg. So 8x W76 is roughly the same weight as 4x W88, which gets you more range. Per a 2007 report that I have attached, loading 4x W88s would get you a range of ~11,500km in a mathematical guesstimate. The tables in question are on Page 43 of the PDF.

There were ~400x W88 warheads made (production run greatly cut short), so W76s got recycled from Trident I. ~3400x W76s built, and the -1 and -2 variants were made by remanufacturing older warheads. There's about 2000 W76-1 warheads, and an unspecified number of -2s. For our purposes, I'm assuming less than 120x W76-2s deployed on boats, (14 boats * 3 warheads per missile * 2 missiles per boat makes 84, 14*4*2 makes 112).

400x W88s spread across 14 subs is 28.5 warheads per sub. I'm going to assume that a small number of W88/Mk5 RBAs would be held in reserve in case one bird tests bad. I'm going to assume 24x W88s per sub (336 at sea, leaving 64 ashore). Several different ways we could assign those out, I'm actually thinking 4 per bird to get all the missiles to have about the same range. So that's 6 birds per boat, and probably no change from reported deployed numbers.

Then we can grab 8x W76-1 per bird and 16 birds per boat, 1792 warheads at sea. This is the only actual increase of deployed warheads, and we're only doubling what's in use. So an increase of 896 warheads.

Now comes the unexpected habanero. W76-2 low yield warheads. I'm assuming 2 birds per boat, loaded with 4 or fewer warheads each. (no change from reported deployed numbers!) If the boats have more Low Yield birds, that reduces the number of warheads going from stockpile to deployed.


This plan moves ~900 warheads from stockpile to deployed for the US. That leaves ~1000 in stockpile and ~1500 dismantled.

But that's just Trident, we also have Minuteman.

There are 400x MM3s to upload back to 3x W78s or W87s each. There are ~1000x W78s and 525x W87s made. 175 of the MM3 could get 3x W87s (525 total, an increase of 350), and the remaining 225 MM3s would get 3x W78s (675 total, increase of 450). This moves another 800 warheads from stockpile to deployed.



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UK warheads are considered separately from this.

UK warheads are equivalent to W76-1s now, the US offered the UK the blueprints for the MC4700 arming, fuzing, and firing system. I believe that the UK maintains ~800x warheads, but that doesn't leave many in reserve if a bird tests bad. Uploading the UK Tridents to 8x warheads would be a massive increase in what's deployed if the RN really is only deploying with 8 birds and not more than 40 total warheads... UK would be going to ~500 warheads deployed from ~160, an increase of ~340.

Note that this is not including any low yield warheads, I have not heard anything about the UK considering "escalate-to-deescalate" tactics that would require such small warheads on Tridents.
 
MMIII can't carry 3 x W87s. Also the decommissioned warheads are decommissioned for a reason, they are not coming back.

I doubt subs carry more than one Trident with a single W76-2. You dont need more for their mission.
 
MMIII can't carry 3 x W87s.
I saw a report saying they could, and I swear I had linked it somewhere in this mess.

But hell with it, MM3 has nada to do with Columbia/D5LE2 and we can just drop that part of the discussion.



Also the decommissioned warheads are decommissioned for a reason, they are not coming back.
Some are lingering around for asteroid defense, but yes it could be an issue. Or it could just be that they were decommissioned just because the treaty said they had to be and would otherwise still be viable.



I doubt subs carry more than one Trident with a single W76-2. You dont need more for their mission.
I was assuming 2 just in case of a failure somewhere in the missile+launcher system. Primary and a backup weapon for the assignment.

But in any case, however many tubes we're talking about, they're not changing their warhead load. The only thing that matters is the missiles that are changing their load. And that's only the D5/W76-1 birds.
 
Both UK (Astraea) and US (W93) have new warheads in design with the US expected service entry date being 2040 to coincide with the Columbia's, there is also an updated common delivery vehicle (Mk7) and Trident is going through a D5 Life Extension 2 program with minor performance increases and obsolesce updates.
"2040". 15 years. There were warheads that went from paper to retired in less time in the 60s.
 
In practice, you do docking position #1 on one docking, and position #2 the next time.

16 carriers is one every 3 years, and you have two or three building at a time. But you can't build SSBNs fast enough to get a fleet of 36 either – at least not without cutting SSN numbers – so it's all somewhat academic.
Unless you boost production capacity.
 
Unless you boost production capacity.
I mean, I'm all in favor of building more production capacity so that the USN can get back to 90ish SSNs. Or more.

The problem is, it takes a decade or more to build that up. Crud, it took a decade or so after WW2's expansion!
 
Look what we were able to do when this was basically new. I’m not holding my breath we are 1/100th as capable of expanding warhead production today.
Worse, what that graph doesn't show is warheads were constantly being replaced and improved. For example, large nuclear bombs, Mk17/24 (QTY 200; 15 MT) -> Mk36 (QTY 920; 19 MT) -> Mk41 (QTY 500; 25 MT) and went from 42,000lbs down to 10,000 while yield almost doubled. Oh, and this all happened between 1954 and 1962. As in the first EC-17 entered service in 1954 and the last Mk41 was produced in 1962.
 
Of course this is a very hard limit that you have in making warheads smaller and more powerful. What was that, 1 megaton to 1 kilo of mass is the 100 percent efficiency math?

And we basically SLAM INTO THAT in the 70s. Modern warheads are roughly 70 80 percent efficient in make rocks go boom. Which is the practical max for our abilities.

We basically can not make any more improvements in either the size or yield ratios unless there is a massive tech break though. Shit Plateaued and we still have miles to go til we hit the next climb.

But we have increase the accuracy and like so we can better use what we have to kill things, you can murder a bunker complex like Cheyenna mountain by putting a 50 kilotonner right on the doors. Which modern weapon accuracy can more then do even from Port. We went from being happy if we can hit the same city to being able to pick which door we want the weapon to fly into.

Which is an insane increase in lethality.
 
Of course this is a very hard limit that you have in making warheads smaller and more powerful. What was that, 1 megaton to 1 kilo of mass is the 100 percent efficiency math?

And we basically SLAM INTO THAT in the 70s. Modern warheads are roughly 70 80 percent efficient in make rocks go boom. Which is the practical max for our abilities.

We basically can not make any more improvements in either the size or yield ratios unless there is a massive tech break though. Shit Plateaued and we still have miles to go til we hit the next climb.

But we have increase the accuracy and like so we can better use what we have to kill things, you can murder a bunker complex like Cheyenna mountain by putting a 50 kilotonner right on the doors. Which modern weapon accuracy can more then do even from Port. We went from being happy if we can hit the same city to being able to pick which door we want the weapon to fly into.

Which is an insane increase in lethality.
It still takes big warhead for area targets unless you want to squander a dozen (or more) of your limited number of warheads on one target. How many W80s would it take to duplicate the area effect of one 25 MT B41?
 
It still takes big warhead for area targets unless you want to squander a dozen (or more) of your limited number of warheads on one target. How many W80s would it take to duplicate the area effect of one 25 MT B41?
3 to 6 depending on terrain.

But better question.

When do you need to destroy that big of an area outside of useless city terror bombing?

Like you not destroying anymore ICBM silos and is absolutely overkill for bunker blasting.

Like a W80 set to 50 kilotonner will destroy a shipyard just as good as a B41. Does it even butter since you can put a W80 on a ICBM unlike the bomber only B41. The things bigger then my Silverado.


Unless you looking to straight up wipe out cities that much firepower is barely worth the cost.
 

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