MiG MFI / I-90 - MiG 1.44 / MiG 1.42

Cannonfodder43 said:
Par for the course on any video that has that presenter.

I swear he must be the head of a network of channels to be so prolific.
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He seems to have made a career from the kind of careful research of a drunk guy in a pub loudly giving his opinions on everything after reading a page on wikipedia.
 
overscan (PaulMM) said:
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He seems to have made a career from the kind of careful research of a drunk guy in a pub loudly giving his opinions on everything after reading a page on wikipedia.
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Used to watch his videos, but he just rambles on for an age before getting round to reading from a script that someone else prepared. Charismatic but by gosh he takes a good while to get to the meat and bones of the subject.
 
Simon is just the presenter. He has writers doing the scripts. Some are better than others - for instance some of the Warographics ones are very detailed. For getting knowledge to the general public, he can be very useful and entertaining.
 
How much was the development of the EF2000 and Rafale and Strike Eagle taken into account vs the very much secret ATF when the Mig 1.42 and Su-47 were being developed in the late I know the ATF of the official rival but wasn't the only western advanced fighter program until development at the time
 
overscan (PaulMM) said:
Now that is a very interesting find.
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Seconded.
1988 is very early, yet there we have almost the entire front fuselage.
I remember when it was "first" revealed quite a bit later..could have been Flight International?
It had the front fuselage that served as an ejection seat test article if I remember correctly.
Anyone remember that article?
 
kaiserbill said:
Seconded.
1988 is very early, yet there we have almost the entire front fuselage.
I remember when it was "first" revealed quite a bit later..could have been Flight International?
It had the front fuselage that served as an ejection seat test article if I remember correctly.
Anyone remember that article?
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It was this pic:

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As I recall Flight had already published some 3 views at this point.
 
That's the one.
What year was that published again?
I seem to recall early to mid 90's, if my memory serves me correctly. I still have the magazine somewhere in deep storage.
That was the first hardware I had seen released, as opposed to drawings or depictions.
 
It was 16 August 1995

www.flightglobal.com

1.42 details revealed

FLIGHT INTERNATIONAL has obtained what is believed to be the first released image of actual hardware related to Mikoyan's Article 1.42 fifth-generation fighter programme. The image shows the front-fuselage section of an unidentified large fighter aircraft at the Faustovo Flight Aviation...
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1.42 details revealed​

FLIGHT INTERNATIONAL has obtained what is believed to be the first released image of actual hardware related to Mikoyan's Article 1.42 fifth-generation fighter programme. The image shows the front-fuselage section of an unidentified large fighter aircraft at the Faustovo Flight Aviation Systems Research Institute near Moscow. Russian sources suggest that the image almost certainly shows the ejection seat-test bed rig for Mikoyan's 1.42. Mikoyan is thought to have carried out ejection seat tests for the 1.42 during 1994 in the run-up to fast-taxi trials of the aircraft.

The front-fuselage section suggests that, as previously believed, the 1.42 will have a large set of canards, with the leading edge beginning to the rear of the cockpit. The fuselage has a triangular cross section.

It is uncertain whether the fuselage section is representative of the 1.42, or the two prototype aircraft (each designated the 1.44). It could also be a design iteration, somewhere between the two, or an earlier design for the aircraft. Mikoyan's acting chief, Anatoly Belosvet, is hoping to show one of the prototype aircraft at the MosAero '95 air show at the Zhukovsky flight-test research centre this month.

Source: Flight International
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Would be interesting to know why the analysis assumes the guidance of the MFI's missile is defeated, at a range of only ~2km (it gets the first missile shot of the engagement at around the 10 second mark, 3.5s before the F-22 first fires). At that sort of distance I would've thought the RCS and IR signature advantages of the F-22 are largely negated - I'd be more skeptical of the MFI's ability to survive a BVR encounter long enough for a turning fight to develop in the first place.

That, after having bled away all its energy in the post-stall maneuver to get its nose on target first, the MFI would never regain the initiative is trivial, but what if its missile guides true? Mutual kill? F-22 pilot attempts to evade rather than firing back but gets killed regardless? F-22 evades successfully but is now on the defensive, much like the MFI after its missile is assumed to miss?
 
overscan (PaulMM) said:
Wow that's so awesome! Don't suppose you have any memories you can share?
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Well, to begin with, the model dumps were carried out from the Tu-16 at the "NIIVVS" training ground in Akhtubinsk.
Most of the work was done on models imitating various modifications of the Su-27 and MiG-29. Personally, I worked most of all on the Myasishchev M-55 "Geofizika" and the Su-34.
Irony of fate. Then, in March 2022, when the Su-34 drop two FAB-500s on me, a mortarman of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, 50 meters from me, it was very offensive :)
But that's philosophy :)
Ask questions, I'll answer as best I can.
By the way, the "32" model had hydraulic control instead of pneumatic control, the "22" also had hydraulic control, I think, if I'm not mistaken.
 
overscan (PaulMM) said:
So the DM5-12 was most likely before your time? Never seen any illustration other than this tiny graphic.

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5-12 is a model 1-44. When I arrived, models of this series were already in operation. I was simply hired to work on the topic M-55 Geophysics, but then I was also connected to all the topics of the institute. For example, when there were surprises in the aerodynamics of 1.44 on the first takeoff attempt, I prepared a whole model 5-12 for blowing in the wind tunnel of TsAGI. In the village of Zhukovsky near Moscow
 
By the way, these "SLM" indices are a late invention, after Ukraine gained independence, after which, of course, cooperation with Moscow quickly went awry, because no one would send information about the latest developments to another country. And before that, there were just T-10 indices and a set of modification designations, these are Su-27/30/33/34/35, 22 is Berkut, 32 is what will become T-50, 5-12 is 1.44, 55 is Myasishchev M-55
 
biber550 said:
By the way, these "SLM" indices are a late invention, after Ukraine gained independence, after which, of course, cooperation with Moscow quickly went awry, because no one would send information about the latest developments to another country. And before that, there were just T-10 indices and a set of modification designations, these are Su-27/30/33/34/35, 22 is Berkut, 32 is what will become T-50, 5-12 is 1.44, 55 is Myasishchev M-55
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Many thanks.
What was 4-12? (if it was...)
 
Small Info in my files,

the 5-12 was studied in both normal or canard delta configurations.
 
512 was a predecessor of 1-42 according to an official anniversary edition
The preliminary design of the prospective fighter was developed by specialists of the Mikoyan Machine Building Plant under the supervision of General Designer R.A. Belyakov.
The peculiarity is that it was developed in two parts - for a multifunctional frontline fighter and air defense fighter (named MFI and code "512") and for a light frontline fighter (LFI, 412). At the same time, a high degree of unification between both aircraft was assumed.
At the preliminary design stage, the results of model tests in TsAGI wind tunnels, preliminary data on engine and equipment characteristics, and studies on reducing radar visibility were taken into account. This made it possible to determine the rational dimensions of the MFI and LFI, choose the aerodynamic configuration of the aircraft, and make the main design and layout decisions, such as the fuselage layout, shape and placement of air intakes, tail unit layout, and parameters of the main fighter systems.
Another interesting work was the creation of dynamically similar flying models. After being dropped from a helicopter, the control system brought the models to high angles of attack, and the onboard KZA recorded all transient processes. It was difficult to conduct such studies in a wind tunnel.
In 1987, soon after the completion of the R&D cycle, the Mikoyan Machine Building Plant, together with other participants in the work, successfully defended the preliminary design for the MFI and LFI aircraft.
After this, the Mikoyan people began developing a preliminary design for the MFI, which received a new code "1-42".
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MIG: FLIGHT THROUGH TIME VOL.2 by Evgeny Arsenyev, Nikolay Valuev and Yuri Polushkin
publisher Advertising Agency AlexV - 2020
 
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flateric said:
512 was a predecessor of 1-42 according to an official anniversary edition

MIG: FLIGHT THROUGH TIME VOL.2 by Evgeny Arsenyev, Nikolay Valuev and Yuri Polushkin
publisher Advertising Agency AlexV - 2020
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So weird,this book didn't contain a drawing to it ?.
 
flateric said:
Why it's "weird"?
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Excuse me my dear Flateric,I am wondering from non-containing the normal shape for it in the book,and not with canard and delta
wing.
 
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