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Evolution of the Mikoyan MiG-29

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It's been great to browse Paralay's new site and be able to pick up things so quickly and easily. This caught my eye; it's half of an image showing preliminary designs for the MiG-29 from 1971 and 1972.

Are there any any other sources for these? The clear progression from a -25 to a -29-style configuration is interesting.
 

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The top one looks like a straight cross between the MiG-25 and Mig-23.

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During the early development years of the Flanker/Fulcrum generation of Soviet fighters, a Sparrow copy was seriously considered as their SARH BVR missile. Eventually though, the missile design we've come to know as R-27 prevailed.

EDIT: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,2750.0/
 

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Sure, but some great detail and underside shots which were new.
 

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Matej mean that his beginnings old as hell, I'm sure ;)
 

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Model photos are definitely from some book. But what is the original source? I saw many of them in more than two books... Polygon MiG-29, Yefim Gordon MiG-29 (Famous Russian Aircrafts series) to name a few.
 

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These are taken from Andrey Fomin's Polygon book
 

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It seems we don't have a topic for this. Merging some posts.
 

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Triton said:

Very interesting, I like the one with the unusual Lerx's with the f-105/draaken reminiscent intake. One model looks very f-15-ish and another looks very f-18-ish.


Any reason behind why the soviets chose such tiny cockpits with poor visibility? when did this philosophy change and why are bubble canopies not on some of these models, esp. the "heavy" design? I thought by the time the lightweight fighter program got underway that led to the Mig -29 the soviets learned their lesson re visibility for their air superiority designs.
 

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Some of the early designs are very Yak-141-ish, and the Yak-141 is completely unlike any previous Yak. Hmmm.... A little data trasnfusion?
 

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LowObservable said:
Some of the early designs are very Yak-141-ish, and the Yak-141 is completely unlike any previous Yak. Hmmm.... A little data trasnfusion?

Yakovlev would have seen the early "large MiG-29" design at the presentation of concepts in the initial stages of the PFI contest whilst presenting their own designs. Mikoyan came up with the small MiG-29 layout after seeing the early Su-27 designs in the same meeting; the designs were not kept secret from each other. Its also possible someone moved from MiG to Yak - Oleg Samolovich took several designs with him from Sukhoi to MiG when he left in the 1980s.
 

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kcran567 said:
Triton said:

Very interesting, I like the one with the unusual Lerx's with the f-105/draaken reminiscent intake. One model looks very f-15-ish and another looks very f-18-ish.


Any reason behind why the soviets chose such tiny cockpits with poor visibility? when did this philosophy change and why are bubble canopies not on some of these models, esp. the "heavy" design? I thought by the time the lightweight fighter program got underway that led to the Mig -29 the soviets learned their lesson re visibility for their air superiority designs.

In fact, once the fast MiG-25 inspired design was rejected, the lightweight MiG-29 designs had very good rear vision.
 

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kcran567 said:
Triton said:

Very interesting, I like the one with the unusual Lerx's with the f-105/draaken reminiscent intake. One model looks very f-15-ish and another looks very f-18-ish.
Actually , those are not intakes ( they are under the fuselage), but panels attached to the LERX to make the aircraft appear as a MiG-25 from spy satellites. At least according to mr. Yefim Gordon.
 

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Yep that is correct. Remembering this famous satellite shot, it might even have worked. Look at the LERX, and some early "MiG-29" artwork.


 

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I wonder why the West didn't expect the Russians to follow the F-14 style of mounting engines below a rather flat rear fuselage.

The artist's impressions all seemed to expect the boxy F-15 style instead.
 

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Hi!

http://www.k2x2.info/transport_i_aviacija/aviacija_i_vremja_2001_05/p4.php

a)1971 design
b)1972 design
c)1973 design (plane 9-11)
d)1974-76 draft project(plane 9-12)

https://topwar.ru/107787-mig-29-i-su-27-istoriya-sluzhby-i-konkurencii-chast-1.html
http://p-d-m.livejournal.com/124525.html
 

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In my files,

there was a Project for MiG-29,had a controlled vector thrust system.
 

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hesham said:
In my files,

there was a Project for MiG-29,had a controlled vector thrust system.
O'RLY?
 

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Of course I know it,

and this was from almost 2001,but what I spoke about it,was from nearly 1986,and it had a
different system,also remained a Project only.
 

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PaulMM (Overscan) said:
Yep that is correct. Remembering this famous satellite shot, it might even have worked. Look at the LERX, and some early "MiG-29" artwork.


There and then known to the West (well America) as the RAM-L
 

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It's a Shulikov design, for details see here: https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,15107.0
 

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Shouldn’t be mixing fantasy stuff with the actual evolution of the MIG-29; that’s really not acceptable in this forum.
 

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Absolutely correct. Fantasy kitbash deleted.
 

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Lil note: AIM-7 copy (R-25) was a competitor not to R-27 but to R-23. By the time R-27 started to became a thing it was long gone.
 

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Lil note: AIM-7 copy (R-25) was a competitor not to R-27 but to R-23. By the time R-27 started to became a thing it was long gone.
The early MiG-29 models did feature K-25 (AIM-7E Sparrow clone) missiles as in 1971-72 the K-25 was expected to supplant the K-23. Tests on K-25 didn't start until 1972 and were completed in 1974, the program terminated with the decision to proceed with the K-23 for the MiG-23.

The first beginnings of K-27 development were in 1973 and derived in part from technical solutions developed in the K-25 program.
 
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