Sukhoi Su-25

Combat-Master said:
Azerbaijans SU-25M underwent weapons systems modernisation in Turkey, seen in the image below carrying KGK-82 wing assisted glide bombs
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Combat-Master said:
A more comprehensive modernisation then I first thought it would be. SOM SAHIN (HAWK), a new variant of the SOM cruise missile developed specifically for Azerbaijan ?
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Apparently so.
Also, explains why Azerbaijan went for Turkish proposal over Sukhoi (sm3 as an example) - it is just plain better, for a fraction of price.
 
Ainen said:
Apparently so.
Also, explains why Azerbaijan went for Turkish proposal over Sukhoi (sm3 as an example) - it is just plain better, for a fraction of price.
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Su-25SM3 is more comprehensive one though. It's also new RWR with the ability to cue anti-radiation missiles, and, more importantly, MAWS (even just lower hemisphere) and new LD/FLIR station, even as limited as SOLT-25 by dimensions. And likely, a complete repair/overhaul of the airframe and engines. There is no mention of anything like that in Turkish proposal, so no wonder it's cheaper.
 
Anduriel said:
Su-25SM3 is more comprehensive one though. It's also new RWR with the ability to cue anti-radiation missiles, and, more importantly, MAWS (even just lower hemisphere) and new LD/FLIR station, even as limited as SOLT-25 by dimensions. And likely, a complete repair/overhaul of the airframe and engines. There is no mention of anything like that in Turkish proposal, so no wonder it's cheaper.
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All that effort ultimately produced a yet another rocket lobber incapable of anything else, because it followed the original concept dating back to 1960s.

Comprehensiveness with faulty concept is not an advantage, it's going deeper down into the pit. It doesn't require a lot of guessing to see them suffering losses or being ineffective at Karabakh...and given what we can see in yak-130m, Russian industry still hasn't learned anything.

Turkish upgrade, on the other hand, is a lot of new quality for the Azeri AF.
 
Ainen said:
All that effort ultimately produced a yet another rocket lobber incapable of anything else, because it followed the original concept dating back to 1960s.
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Rocket lobber not by technical inability of Su-25SM3 use modern munitions. It's because battlefield is not permissible enough to use anything else, and for JDAM-ER/UMPK/etc and missiles there are much more capable platforms. A-10C would not fare better for that matter despite having even more capability than SM3, for the same reasons.
Su-25SM3 would also be more capable on Karabakh theatre, just like A-10C and this Turkish upgrade. For simple reasons:
1. Armenia doesn't have Ukrainian amount of SAM batteries, AA and NATO support in detection of Azerbaijan aircrafts.
2. Azerbaijan itself doesn't have much choice in planes, as the only other plane they have is MiG-29. So they have to make a Su-25 as cruise missile/JDAM carrier, because MiG-29 would do other tasks, even if Su-25 is not the best platform for it. And it will remain so until they get a proper multirole platform, like JF-17 bl.3.
 
Wouldn't there be some minimum distance between launching aircraft when in formation?
 
Richard N said:
Russian Su-25 shoots down Russian Su-25

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVNtMUt_a7g
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Looks more like structural failure than anything else really. And given how many flight hours in demanding low level flight with evasive maneuvers these aircraft do, I wouldn't be surprised if the fatigue just caught up.

Mostly because it only happens when the jet starts to bank hard, which puts a lot of stress on the airframe. The perspective doesn't really allow to see what's going on, but I think a literal rocket impact would have led to a detonation too.
 
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As FB wrote, shit happens !

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Fighterbomber

Мде. Причины аварии Су-25, можно сказать установлены. Летчик в госпитале. Сломана рука. Что тут было нарушено и кто в этой аварии виноват, разберется комиссия. "Шит хэппенс." Но конечно хохлы и за это ответят. Кстати огромное спасибо пехоте артиллеристам, которые собственно под налётом FPV...
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It could be a structural damage. I see no signs of incoming fire on the aircraft.
www.pravda.com.ua

Russian Su-25 crashes in Donetsk Oblast, likely downed by friendly fire – video

A Russian Su-25 attack aircraft has crashed in Donetsk Oblast, likely as a result of friendly fire, according to Fighterbomber, a Telegram channel with links to the Russian Aerospace Forces.
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There is for sure a lot of wear on the Su-25 airframes, and maintenance might not be at the best level.
 
Forest Green said:
Very unlikely to be an R-37 IMO. Explosion was too small, also rear aspect rather than frontal, no evasive manoeuvre indicating a lack of RWR alert, more likely a MANPADS.
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It got completely torn apart upon impact, doubtful a manpad does this to a Su-25. As for RWR, given the terrible state of the UAF even back when this happened it's not granted that most systems even work. That aside it's already forced to fly low due to Russian AD and aircraft, so this might as well be the pilot trying to hug the ground and running with the jet for his life (otherwise the missile would have come from the front), but the chances of outrunning an R-37M in a subsonic attack jet are minimal.

Just another number on the extending list of shoot downs attributed to the R-37M in this war.
 
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Forest Green said:
Very unlikely to be an R-37 IMO. Explosion was too small, also rear aspect rather than frontal, no evasive manoeuvre indicating a lack of RWR alert, more likely a MANPADS.
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I think SPO-15(RWR) in current war is more or less dead weight. Ancient system, which was built to recognize Hawks and rolands.
 
Russian sources provided the name of the Ukrainian pilot of the downed Su-25. Yet, the Russians attribute the kill to the R-37M.

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SouthFront: Analysis & Intelligence

In Video: Russian R-37M Long-Range Missile Shreds Ukrainian Su-25 Jet Into Pieces Midair On January 28, video footage showing a Su-25 close air support jet of the Ukrainian Air Force (UAF) 299th Tactical Aviation Brigade getting shredded into pieces by a Russian R-37M very-long-range air-to-air...
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Aircraft literally came apart no MANPAD does that,In one of the frames there is also a huge shrapnel field that also tears away the cockpit canopy

There are number of manpad hits on video in this war and none disintegrate the aircraft.
 
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It seems to have been a direct hit on the starboard wing without warhead explosion. You can see that the plane start to bank before yawing to the right due to the increased asymmetrical drag resulting from the damages. The fire spread also from the starboard side before the yaw momentum separates the fuel tanks and subsequent structural damages occurs.

If that was an R-37, there was no warhead detonation, pure H2K (probably a good way to extend the range of the missile further).

Impressive video. Sad the pilot didn't make it.

Also I wouldn't trust a GoPro camera, signal wise, in that kind of environment. If you want to make cool movies, get some duct tape and a VHS camera...
 
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Wotan said:
Well, this one was hit by one small unguided missile and desintegrated in a similar manner.
View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/x3UH2c_qgNY


It depends from the part of the aircraft where the MANPAD strikes. The destruction of the control surfaces would make the aircraft tumble and the aerodinamic forces would do the rest.
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The whole wing man shoot down , was disproved while ago,It was not hit by a rocket it suffered a structural failure from metal fatigue ,
 
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TomcatViP said:
It seems to have been a direct hit on the starboard wing without warhead explosion. You can see that the plane start to bank before yawing to the right due to the increased asymmetrical drag resulting from the damages. The fire spread also from the starboard side before the yaw momentum separates the fuel tanks and subsequent structural damages occurs.

If that was an R-37, there was no warhead detonation, pure H2K (probably a good way to extend the range of the missile further).

Impressive video. Sad the pilot didn't make it.

Also I wouldn't trust a GoPro camera, signal wise, in that kind of environment. If you want to make cool movies, get some duct tape and a VHS camera...
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Why do you think there was no warhead detonation?

fucking fireball engulfed the plane before it fell apart
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Looks like fragments tear trough the cockpit canopy
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