Convair B-58 Projects

[Michel Van]

strange in this forum is almost no info about B-58 version !

B-58 A the SAC bomber version we know
B-58 B improved version - kingfish launch platform
B-58 C Enlarged version and J-58 jetengine (for mach 3 ?)
B-58 D long range interceptor
B-58 E tactical strike aircraft and strategic bomber (include ALBM)

CV-58-9 SST with 52 seats

Wat we got
B-58 design evolution
https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/1489B-58A launched Minuteman airborne satellite & ASAT missile : project Town Hall
https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/3475Convair SuperHustler-Kingfish
http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,4450.0/highlight,b-58.htmlhttp://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,1129.0/highlight,b-58.htmlB-58 LACE testbed
http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,2538.0/highlight,b-58.htmlthe B-58 bomber with people pod.
http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,3126.msg29606.html#msg29606CV-58-9 SST with 52 seats
http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,483.msg28199.html#msg28199http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,2044.msg23646.html#msg23646

 

[PlanesPictures]

Was B-58B launch platform for Fish project, too?

 

[Michel Van]

Was B-58B launch platform for Fish project, too?

so far i know yes
the CIA need the B-58B for KingFish, because B-58 was Bomber only
but as USAF chancels the B-58B Order
KingFish was dead and CIA try M-21 Drone Project with SR-71 as launcher

by the Way Wat was the difference of B-58B to B-58A except getting the bugs out ?

http://www.testpilot.ru/usa/convair/b/58/super/super.htm
on top left is button for Translate

 

[Michel Van]

is this a B-58C ?

Question

is this picture of the B-58C proposal ?

 

[Orionblamblam]

Re: is this a B-58C ?

Question

is this picture of the B-58C proposal ?

No. That's an early iteration of the MX-1626 design *leading* to the B-58.

 

[Michel Van]

Re: is this a B-58C ?

Question
is this picture of the B-58C proposal ?

No. That's an early iteration of the MX-1626 design *leading* to the B-58.

damm, here second attempt
sorry for the rough art, but take only 5 minute to draw,Scan, put in Forum.
draw after B-58C info in internet

 

[XP67_Moonbat]

Good work, man!

 

[archipeppe]

Really nice artwork Michel!!

BTW it seems to have some point of contact (not coincidentally??) with the proposed civil versions of B 58.....

 

[Michel Van]

Really nice artwork Michel!!

BTW it seems to have some point of contact (not coincidentally??) with the proposed civil versions of B 58.....

thanks ;D

Wat i found on B-58C was this

the CV-58-9 SST was based on B-58C design of wings and J-58 engine pods
B-58C Fuselage enlarged for 1,524 m (5 ft) for more fuel
and canard for more stability in supersonic flight
the streamlined pod also enlarged (5 ft ?) for more fuel and Bombs

 

[KJ_Lesnick]

Was the B-58C supposed to use afterburning or non-afterburning J-58's (The B-58-9 used Non-AB J-58's)? Also was it to use the non bleed-bypass J-58's, or the bleed-bypass J-58's?

KJ Lesnick

 

[skyrocket01]

B-58C in 1/48 scale:

ttp://groups.msn.com/InfinityReach/rebellioncreations.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=534

 

[Jemiba]

From Aviation Week April, 1960 :
(Who's interested in the 2-page article, just send a PM with your mail adress)l

 

[lark]

Magnificient Jens...

PM is on the way ;D

 

[Antonio]

Many thanks Jemiba!!!

 

[Michel Van]

thanks Jemiba

sad, that are only two page. :'(
the article has more pages !

back to B-58

seems the B-58C and B-58D part of one concept:
Bomber with long range support Fighter (like NAA B-70/F-108)

i found other B-58 concept:

B-58 Air launched Ballistic Missile (original B-58 concept ?)
i read in internet about the Agena upper stage was original a ALBM for B-58
is this a rumor ?

B-58 MI from 1957 as Replacement for weaponsystem-110 (NAA XB-70) !
source "Aircraft Nr.123 - de Agostini 1995

 

[Tophe]

Why has the B-58transport tailplanes? The delta wing would be enough, no?

 

[Skybolt]

I have the entire article.... anyone ?
Tophe, the balance was completely different, so the horizontal tail was needed.

 

[Michel Van]

I have the entire article.... anyone ?

me, me, me !

 

[Barrington Bond]

Me too for the entire article please

Regards,
Barry

 

[flateric]

mee too, mee too! thank you!

 

[Antonio]

and me, please. Thanks in advance

 

[overscan (PaulMM)]

"Me toos" should be sent through personal messages or email please.

 

[Orionblamblam]

"Me toos" should be sent through personal messages or email please.

Yes! I agree!!!!


ducks...

 

[Michel Van]

here a List of B-58 variants (no civilians version) Thanks to Jemiba and Skybolt ;D

XB-58 Prototype 2 build
YB-58 Pre-production aircraft 11 build
NB-58A one modified YB-58 for J93 jet-engine test program
B-58 MI 1957 study as Replacement for weaponsystem-110 (XB-70)

B-58A
SAC bomber 86 build
4x J79-GE-5A each 15000 lb. trust with afterburner
Cruises Mach 0.9 short time Mach 2.1
gross weight 160000 lb.
range 1510 n.m. without refueling by KC-135
Ferryrange 4100 nm
Armament : one T171 cannon (20 mm) and nuclear bombs 4x B43 or B61 (max 19450 lb)

TB-58A Training aircraft 11 build
RB-58A with reconnaissance pod 17 build

B-58B
Improved SAC bomber 185 order, cancelled
Fuselage stretch, candard
4x J79-GE-9 each ? trust with afterburner ?
Cruises Mach 0.9 sealevel Mach 2 in high altitude
gross weight 180000 lb.
sophisticated navigation equipment for all weather flight at sea level
Armament : one T171 cannon (20 mm) Bombs 4xB43 or B61 (max 19450 lb)
next nuclear weapon also conventional weapon capability


B-58C aka BJ-58
Advance SAC bomber, Substitute to XB-70 chanceled 1961

Fuselage stretch for 5 ft. no candard, new wing tip with engine pods
4 x P&W-J58 with plug nozzles (no afterburner)
Cruises Mach 2.0 - Mach 2.4 during mission.
range 5500 nm. with refueling by KC-135
gross weight 200000 lb.
Armament ?

B-58D
Long-range interceptor for Air Defence Command
Substitute to F-108, chanceled
2 x P&W-J58 with afterburner
limit on airframe 7g
range 1000 nm
Armament : Hughes fire-control system (from F-108) with 6 GAR-9 missiles.
B-58D Operation high 70000 ft. GAR-9 from 100000 ft to sealevel

B-58E
Tactical Bomber for Tactical Air Command. chanceled
2 x P&W-J58 with afterburner
Mach 0.9 - 1.2 max Mach 2.4
Mach 2.4 with one refuel with KC-135 for USA-Indochina
ferry range USA-Europe with equipment for 2 Mission on board
Armament: conventional weapon capability

PODs for B-58
Photo reconnaissance pod
Radar reconnaissance pod
Very large Radar reconnaissance pod
Pod with two fuel tanks and nuclear weapon
test pods
one with fire control system for F-108
ALBM pod with 30 ft long solid rocket build by Lockheed from X-17 booster
this system was tested 1958-1959 then chanceled

 

[Abraham Gubler]

Here is a B-58A version offered to the RAAF with enhanced conventional bombing capability. Looks like an additional external carriage pylon for a total of 12 Mk 84 2,000 lbs. Presumably could also carry at least 12 triple multiple-ejector racks for 36 Mk 82 500 lbs bombs. After a proper sizing the 12 bombs visible are Mk 82 500 lbs bombs. Hustler could carry a lot more but would need a rack to replace the underbelly fuel tank.

The full story on why this was a serious offer is here:

http://airpower.airforce.gov.au/publications/Details/78/The-Vulcan-Option-for-the-RAAF.aspx

The short version is that the RAAF wanted to replace its Canberras with medium bombers for increased striking power. At first in the mid 1950s they wanted the Vulcan and then became concerned about its survivability so looked at the Hustler in the late 1950s.

 

[hesham]

Hi,


the B-58 model for the Lockheed/Convair ALBM program of late 1950s.


http://coollib.net/b/150691/read

 

[codeone]

B-58/Minuteman combo artist concept posted on Code One Magazine Facebook page. Support our historical digging efforts and become a fan while you are there. We plan to post this and some other new finds on our Aviation Archeology gallery soon.



--C1

Links:

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Code-One-Magazine/137792852904695?ref=hl

http://www.codeonemagazine.com/article.html?item_id=114

 

[fightingirish]

For lack of a better term, it's Way-Out Wednesday! This was a Convair Aerospace Division concept from 1969 for a B-58 Hustler modified to carry a Minuteman ICBM--with wingtip mounted external fuel tanks.

Picture: https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/1000731_707375422613099_607649787_n.jpg

 

[fightingirish]

B-58/F-111 wingtip coupling conceptual design drawing from the aviation archeology files. Illustration, by Charlie Donovan, dated December 1963.

Picture: https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/1185269_723778520972789_104849940_n.jpg

 

[Orionblamblam]

The B/J-58 with two engines...

Ridiculously high-rez version HERE.

 

[hesham]

Hi,

http://archive.aviationweek.com/image/spread/19600418/33/2

 

[RAP]

Drawings have been shown before but I included the entire article.

 

[mboeller]

just curious.

Could this strange blog have a picture of a wind-tunnel model of the "real" B-58b:

https://lurch2.blogspot.com/2014/05/b-58-pictures.html
sorry, no direct link to the picture. The picture is just below the pics from the escape system.

 

[Springtime]

Were there any real considerations for a B-58 based Airliner By the US Airline industry at the time even as a Cheap Alternative to the "bigger" SSTs being developed

 

[hesham]

Were there any real considerations for a B-58 based Airliner By the US Airline industry at the time even as a Cheap Alternative to the "bigger" SSTs being developed

Please see;

https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/th...-sst-program-1960-1971.483/page-11#post-97497

 

[archipeppe]

just curious.

Could this strange blog have a picture of a wind-tunnel model of the "real" B-58b:

https://lurch2.blogspot.com/2014/05/b-58-pictures.html
sorry, no direct link to the picture. The picture is just below the pics from the escape system.

The picture should represent the B-58C wind tunnel model.

 

[mboeller]

but the B-58C proposal had J-58 engines and the engines of the aircraft in the picture are slimmer, like J-79 engines.



PS.: I hope it is ok to insert a picture from a website directly, but linking to the picture didn't work

 

[taildragger]

Images of roughly the same configuration produced as a display model, identified on the stand as the "Advanced Hustler". It's interesting that the landing gear fairings have disappeared from the wings, these are represented on the Topping B-58A model.

 

[archipeppe]

Images of roughly the same configuration produced as a display model, identified on the stand as the "Advanced Hustler". It's interesting that the landing gear fairings have disappeared from the wings, although I'm not sure if these are represented on the Topping B-58A model.

Quite similiar to the wind tunnel model, in particular the doubled wing tanks rather than the single huge underbelly pod.

 

[archipeppe]

Here it is my personal interpretation of the B-58 family, the wind tunnel model it should be placed somewhere in the middle between B-58B (canard and no wingtips) and B-58C (with the J-58 engines).